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Don't see a thread on Star Wars yet, so why not start one. If you haven't seen the movie and want to avoid spoilers, stop reading now. I know it's hard. Just hit back. There you go...

First - I'm in the so-so review category of Star Wars. I thought the movie was ok, I'm glad it was more Lucas-ish Star Wars than JJ Abrams lens-flash Star Trek. He got a lot of fundamentals right in terms of the technical side of the film making - this IS a Star Wars film. I wouldn't call it a great one, the screenwriting was horrendous.

I think it ranks between 1 and 2, definitely in the lower 4.

There were things I didn't get -

1 - Why was there a map to Luke Skywalker? WHO TF drew a map to Luke, then split it into 3 parts, then gave part to a droid? This was the premise of the film, shouldn't it have been a good premise?

2 - If the Rebellion won and there is once again a Republic and a Senate, why weren't they fighting the First Order? What exactly was the Rebellion...I mean Resistance resisting? Were they resisting the rebellion of the First Order? But wouldn't that be the Republic's job?

3 - Without practicing, how did Rey become so accomplished with the Force that she could attack and almost beat a Sith apprentice? Was it through osmosis? Or just because the apprentice was so bad? Or perhaps she was drawing on the dark side, she did look pretty angry during that fight? Was it all a setup like at Endor?

4 - Why did Carrie Fisher age so much more poorly than Mark Hammel? Drugs?

5 - Did Han's death have any meaning at all? Or was it just more bad screen writing to kill off a major (but old) character?
 
I liked it a lot and I an by no means a star wars junkie.
I felt it was like a re run though of a new hope.

Trying to save someone, blow up a death star.

That said, I really enjoyed it and was surprised at how many laughs it had in it.
 
This movie was essentially a push of the reset button to reground the Star Wars franchise after the abysmal prequells. Beyond reassuring old people like me with its familiar feel it also established that the quality and innovation in the actual film making were back while laying the foundation for the next movies.

My initial review was simply this..."It made me smile, like spending time with an old friend."


I have some theories on Rey's skills think Jason Bourne.
 
DFH65 said:
This movie was essentially a push of the reset button to reground the Star Wars franchise after the abysmal prequells. Beyond reassuring old people like me with its familiar feel it also established that the quality and innovation in the actual film making were back while laying the foundation for the next movies.

My initial review was simply this..."It made me smile, like spending time with an old friend."


I have some theories on Rey's skills think Jason Bourne.
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Very much my impressions.
 
bflynn said:
Don't see a thread on Star Wars yet, so why not start one. If you haven't seen the movie and want to avoid spoilers, stop reading now. I know it's hard. Just hit back. There you go...

First - I'm in the so-so review category of Star Wars. I thought the movie was ok, I'm glad it was more Lucas-ish Star Wars than JJ Abrams lens-flash Star Trek. He got a lot of fundamentals right in terms of the technical side of the film making - this IS a Star Wars film. I wouldn't call it a great one, the screenwriting was horrendous.

I think it ranks between 1 and 2, definitely in the lower 4.

There were things I didn't get -

1 - Why was there a map to Luke Skywalker? WHO TF drew a map to Luke, then split it into 3 parts, then gave part to a droid? This was the premise of the film, shouldn't it have been a good premise?

2 - If the Rebellion won and there is once again a Republic and a Senate, why weren't they fighting the First Order? What exactly was the Rebellion...I mean Resistance resisting? Were they resisting the rebellion of the First Order? But wouldn't that be the Republic's job?

3 - Without practicing, how did Rey become so accomplished with the Force that she could attack and almost beat a Sith apprentice? Was it through osmosis? Or just because the apprentice was so bad? Or perhaps she was drawing on the dark side, she did look pretty angry during that fight? Was it all a setup like at Endor?

4 - Why did Carrie Fisher age so much more poorly than Mark Hammel? Drugs?

5 - Did Han's death have any meaning at all? Or was it just more bad screen writing to kill off a major (but old) character?
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1. The last Jedi is treasured, as such.. only those worthy of his location would be aware of the treasure map.

2. Not sure I understand the question. The good guys (jedi) are down to there last member. While the bad guys still have the clones and non clone storm troopers.

3. She wasn't accomplished in the force, it was all raw.. meaning she was extremely strong to start from the start so even the basic forms of the force were strong. Remember she didn't do much... with the Force basically the mind trick and grabbing the light sabre. Kylo Ren stopped lasers and stuff... Also, recall that she carries a staff in the beginning of the movie and is accomplished as a fighter, so it's not a stretch that she can hang with Kylo given her new strength in the force and former fighting abilities. Afterall.... she covered his ability in the force so it was basically a skill fight with the light sabres.

4. It's been discussed in the news that she got fat and used drugs in real life. Obviously they couldn't use someone else in her place, the credibility of the movie would of taken a hit.

5. Yes, Kylo Ren is not complete evil, he's very strong but he takes his mask off multiple times to reveal the human side of a dark sith. But it also showed he's not the monster he's made out to be.... the killing of beloved Han Solo gives credibility to his evil side and shows what he's capable of.
 
I am a Star Wars Junkie.

Overall, I give it a 6.5 on a 10 scale.

Good stuff:

  • The aerial combat between the the Millennium Falcon and a TIE fighter on Jakku. To see the old girl put on moves like that was fun to watch.
  • BB-8. The original story and performers gave us lovable droid characters in the firm of R2-D2 and C-3PO. They did it again with BB-8.
  • Stormtroopers have souls. It's something alluded to in I-III with the clone troopers and in the animated Clone Wars series. With Finn we see it happen post Vader.


The Bad

  • Lots of backstory missing. Especially about the rise of the First Order and did the original rebellion get from post "Return of the Jedi" times to still being scattered across the galaxy and fighting for their existance.
  • Han Solo's death. Currently, doesn't make sense except that it is analogous to Obi Wan's death. Except for that it's one of the first "to be answered in a sequel" moments, it does seem like it's just killing off of one of the best characters in the series. Han's one liners throughout Hope, Empire, and Jedi were movie classics. Now we won't have them any more.


I went to the movie with modest expectations. Sorta sad that JJ Abrams lived up to just that.

This movie didn't have the wow factor of top level story and ground breaking cinema that George Lucas gave us with the first movies.
 
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Not going to do a full review. Basically, as a Star Wars movie, it's OK. Lots of good visuals and cool shots, interesting environments, good action sequences and great special FX. Terrible script and story and mediocre acting. I don't know how much the script writers are bound to the original Lucas story, or by the copious amount of official Star Wars stories out there, but this story is total crap. The screen writers should never work again.

I'm pretty sure you can tell this story by editing bits of Episode IV and Episode V together and save all the production costs.

Anyhow, my ranking of the Star Wars films best to worst.
  1. Episode V- The Empire Strikes Back
  2. Episode IV- A New Hope
  3. Episode VII- The Force Awakens
  4. Episode VI- Return of the Jedi
  5. Eposode III- Revenge of the Sith
  6. Episode II- Attack of the Clones
  7. Episode I- Phantom Menace
 
Would have been a cool moment if Leigh said "I Still Love You" and Han could have replied "I Know" just before they depart for the last time.

I've heard multiple reports that Harrison Ford didn't want to be in the rest of the movies, so can't say I didn't see it coming. My wife on the other hand almost started crying when Han was executed by his own kid....not sure how she missed that truck coming...

Oh, and how does Chewbacca's bow rifle kill all stormtroopers with just a crazing fire, but only gives Ren a flesh wound on a direct hit???

Same feelings as the some of the other posters, giant reboot of Episode IV.

Technically there are two Jedi's left, one Master (Luke) and one apprentice (Rey).

I'm looking forward to the next one. :)

Cheers,
Brian
 
This is great. I have been waiting patiently for the return of.....


 
I thought it was pretty good, not as good as RT is giving it. It seemed like a rehash of episode 6 with the planet killer weapon, someone needing to sneak inside to destroy the shields, and blowing up the reactor.

Ren killing Solo makes more sense after I got to thinking about it. They made him out like a crybaby bad guy. Hopefully he gets more credible as a bad guy, much like we thought about Vader.

I wasn't crazy about Finn's character. In the previews, I thought he might be a little more determined, but he seemed very wishy washy. Maybe that changes in the next movie. BTW, how does one go from working sanitation and then becoming a stormtrooper?

I was wondering how much Mark Hamill got paid? Probably pretty decent for having zero speaking lines. :lol:
 
rbridges said:
I was wondering how much Mark Hamill got paid? Probably pretty decent for having zero speaking lines. :lol:
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I want to see a parody where after he lowers his hood, he grins and starts speaking like The Joker.

(he is the voice actor for The Joker in nearly all the animated Batman offerings. And is damn good at it.)
 
I thought it was OK. Much younger First Order leaders than in the prior films. I attest that to Disney's influence to relate to a younger audience.

I loved seeing the Millenium Falcon again. She was missed.

Kylo Ren's killing of his father, Han Solo was an interesting twist of Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker where Darth Vader could not kill his son and instead, threw the Sith Lord down into the abyss. In this instance, it felt like Kylo Ren tried to prove his evil-ness by killing his own father and letting him fall into the abyss. And no matter what, he's still a cry-baby and got his behind handed to him by novice Rey.

Rey... she's a quandry. Is she Luke's daughter? Clearly she's strong in the Force as she learned quickly to use the Force. In fact, she seems more powerful than Kylo Ren (who still has not completed his training.) But there's a lot of similarities between Luke and Rey... desert planet, familiar with speeders/spaceships, etc. She learned her "stick skills" fighting on the planet for her survival (scavenging parts for food) which I guess lends to her ability to fight with a light saber.

Carrie Fisher? Years of drugs, I am guessing, has taken its toll. Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford are easily recognizable, but not so Carrie Fisher.

Wished we had seen more of Skywalker in this film... but I guess Rey's finding of Luke leads us to the next film. (Similar to the Empire Strikes Back where Luke trains with Yoda.)
 
So at the end the girl finds luke.
The next episode, her first word is going to be "Hi Dad" right?

Is that where this is going. I HATE cliffhanger endings.
 
Enjoyed it. Total reboot.

No pinball bouncing Yoda and no JarJar other than a mention that he's a "senator". Thank God.

No heir-apparent to Han's role whereas all the other characters have a replacement lined up now. Except Chewie, who apparently won't be aging out.

For only being 35 years after Episode 6, the missing back story of where the First Order came from is definitely a writing problem. Sure felt like more time overall went by in the Star Wars world throughout 4,5,6 than the time in-between all of that ending and a whole new antagonist and protagonist show up.

Why bother keeping the Galactic Senate at all? First time we heard about them was Episode 1 and by 4, they're hardly mentioned as a power at all. Then they re-emerge and JarJar is a senator in 7?

Serious story line problems all over the place for the overall story, but if you ignore it and call it "episode 4 version 2" for a reboot you can kinda let it slide because you liked it -- and definitely liked it more than 1,2,3.
 
At least they didn't cop out with an "alternate universe" like the Star Trek franchise did when they ran out of ideas ...

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Honestly I think the deal with Han was Ford was happy to do one to show respect for the franchise but he is 73 has plenty of money and is a little past doing real action scenes which was a little noticeable in this movie.
 
SmashTime said:
1. The last Jedi is treasured, as such.. only those worthy of his location would be aware of the treasure map.

2. Not sure I understand the question. The good guys (jedi) are down to there last member. While the bad guys still have the clones and non clone storm troopers.

3. She wasn't accomplished in the force, it was all raw.. meaning she was extremely strong to start from the start so even the basic forms of the force were strong. Remember she didn't do much... with the Force basically the mind trick and grabbing the light sabre. Kylo Ren stopped lasers and stuff... Also, recall that she carries a staff in the beginning of the movie and is accomplished as a fighter, so it's not a stretch that she can hang with Kylo given her new strength in the force and former fighting abilities. Afterall.... she covered his ability in the force so it was basically a skill fight with the light sabres.

4. It's been discussed in the news that she got fat and used drugs in real life. Obviously they couldn't use someone else in her place, the credibility of the movie would of taken a hit.

5. Yes, Kylo Ren is not complete evil, he's very strong but he takes his mask off multiple times to reveal the human side of a dark sith. But it also showed he's not the monster he's made out to be.... the killing of beloved Han Solo gives credibility to his evil side and shows what he's capable of.
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1. Yes, but other than "to drive the story", why did someone make a map to him? How did they know where he was and then why be so elusive about recording it? It's nothing more than a bad plot device. The whole movie they're chasing the Map to Luke Skywalker. Seriously, that's the depths of good storytelling? Even Episode 1 had a far more developed plot than that.

2. Why didn't the Rebellion end when the Empire lost? The Resistance is resisting the First Order, but that's also the Republic military's job. They have a Secret Resistance and a Secret Resistance Base now because they could no longer have a Rebellion. It's another lack of imagination in the story telling to say that General Organa could do nothing but keep a rag-tag group of semi-mercenary soldiers together. It was a really bad hang-over from the 1970s.

3. She was accomplished enough that she would have killed Kylo Ren except for the earthquake that split them apart. How does a force sensitive person suddenly develop full out jedi skills that rival that of a Sith apprentice? Was Kylo Ren just a really bad apprentice? Luke studied for years and wasn't that good.

I agree with the 6.5 rating.

The movie excels in the technical cinematic, it looks and feels like a Star Wars movie. Thankfully, no lens flashes, at least not that I remember. It was an action packed adventure, even if a predictable and tediously rehashed one.

So-so in acting. There was a lot of feeling of ta-da, here's that character you were waiting to see. And I think storytelling limits the actor's ability to act.

Very weak in storytelling and in SW universe lore. But hey, now that Disney owns the rights, maybe the laws of how the Force works have changed. As far as development, I saw very little development - Leia was a Rebellion General before and she is a Resistance General no. Han went back to being a scoundrel. Luke was a plot device. Finn and Rey had some back story, but I couldn't really say how they changed from beginning to end.
 
Dav8or said:
Not going to do a full review. Basically, as a Star Wars movie, it's OK. Lots of good visuals and cool shots, interesting environments, good action sequences and great special FX. Terrible script and story and mediocre acting. I don't know how much the script writers are bound to the original Lucas story, or by the copious amount of official Star Wars stories out there, but this story is total crap. The screen writers should never work again.

I'm pretty sure you can tell this story by editing bits of Episode IV and Episode V together and save all the production costs.

Anyhow, my ranking of the Star Wars films best to worst.
  1. Episode V- The Empire Strikes Back
  2. Episode IV- A New Hope
  3. Episode VII- The Force Awakens
  4. Episode VI- Return of the Jedi
  5. Eposode III- Revenge of the Sith
  6. Episode II- Attack of the Clones
  7. Episode I- Phantom Menace
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I had Phantom Menace at the bottom too.

BUT that was before I learned that Jar Jar Binks was actually a Sith Lord. Most everyone has overlooked Jar Jar and to the point that Lucas altered Ep II and III. He basically wimped out and caved to criticism.

There is a ton of compelling evidence on the interwebs pointing out that Jar Jar is in fact a Sith. Here is one of the better ones, but feel free to view more.

 
bflynn said:
3. She was accomplished enough that she would have killed Kylo Ren except for the earthquake that split them apart. How does a force sensitive person suddenly develop full out jedi skills that rival that of a Sith apprentice? Was Kylo Ren just a really bad apprentice? Luke studied for years and wasn't that good.
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For the same reason I can grapple with black belts in jujitsu (I'm equivalent to a purple)..... raw power.

I'd say it lends more to her potential and actual power than the lack of Kylo Rens. Kylo also let's his guard down with her, not using his full power until it's too late. And he does mention that with each hour that passes her power grows. He can sense her power, but like most villians... overestimates their own.

Main point: it's a movie...**** happens lol
 
Star Wars pffft kids stuff. Remake of the best movie ever opens in 3 days. The only law that matters is gravity. Yeah dude.
 
Rey is skilled in the force because Luke has been training her telepathically in her sleep. Remember the dreams about the island?

Luke is hiding out at one of the original Jedi temples. So it isn't a map to Luke so much as a map to the temple. This information was in possession of the Empire in the Death Star (the Emperor needed this info to wipe out the Jedi). The bit of the map BB8 has came from there, as did R2D2's info. Or, Luke created the map. And he made sure it would not be decoded until the right time. That's why R2D2 was in deep sleep until BB8 asks for his help completing the map.
 
I just pointed out on a StarWars thread that Jar Jar Binks is a Sith Master and nobody has a thing to say about that?
 
Captain said:
I just pointed out on a StarWars thread that Jar Jar Binks is a Sith Master and nobody has a thing to say about that?
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I just pointed out Star Wars is for kids and no one has anything to say? I was 7 when the first came out, loved it, felt too old to bother when the second one was released. Kids stuff, Peewee Herman in space with robots.:D
 
Overall I think The Force Awakens was a good Star Wars movie, a good addition to the universe, and a decent first effort from Disney. There are a few things that I think need to be pointed out.

1. A lot of the timeframe between Episodes VI & VII is fleshed out in other forms of media (novels, comics). This includes the New Republic, the remnants of the Empire, The First Order, & The Resistance and what happened to all these groups and where they came from. Basically the New Republic formed out of the Rebellion, created a new Senate, and wanted to demilitarize. Even with that mindset the New Republic fleet kicked the ever-living crap out of the remnants of the Empire until they signed a peace treaty. The First Order rose from inside the remnants of the Empire after the treaty. Certain members of the New Republic (Leia) believed the New Republic needed to take the threat from the First Order more seriously and formed the Resistance to take the fight to the First Order. The Resistance is publicly denounced by the New Republic but they provide material support in secret.

2. Someone mentioned the Senate spanning all the movies. The only mention of the Senate in the original trilogy is when Vader announces that the Emperor had dissolved it. The Senate in The Force Awakens is a new entity formed by the New Republic.

3. The science in Star Wars has always been a little kooky, but Starkiller Base was a little too far out there in my opinion. At least with how it was presented in the movie, apparently the novel version is slightly less insane. But I imagine visuals had something to do with how it was protrayed. I would like to see Star Wars move away from the super weapon of galactic destruction model of crisis and find something new. That's 3 of those things that have been destroyed by a relatively small group of people... They're not working, try something else.

I thought the acting in this movie was leaps and bounds better than the previous movies. My wife and I watched the original trilogy in the week before this came out (she had never seen them) and she kept commenting on how bad the acting was, and at times I couldn't disagree with her. There are a ton of badly delivered lines and flat-out bad dialogue in the original movies. I really liked Rey, Finn, & Poe.

I'm not on board yet with Rey being Luke's daughter, it feels too contrived. I could definitely see her being one of Luke's students that survived Kylo Ren's attack on the new Jedi Academy and then hidden for some reason (safety?) As one review I read said, it's great to see a prominent female Star Wars character whose purpose on screen is not to give birth or die (hopefully).

Finn was a great character, and I hope we get a little more of his backstory in subsequent movies. I'm curious to see if he'll turn out to be a Force user as well, maybe not on the level of Rey but it would explain things like how apparently the brainwashing he was subjected to from childhood didn't work.

Poe Dameron seems like he'll be a good character, but he didn't get much screen time. Apparently he was originally going to be killed off in this movie hence his lack of time on screen. It'll be interesting to see where he goes.

I'm looking forward to future movies, I feel like this one had a line to straddle between comforting older fans that the series would stay 'Star Wars' while trying to avoid being criticized for spending too much time revisiting the older movies. I think they did that admirably, and I think J.J. Abrams did a good job with what he was given.
 
Thanks for point #1 but didnt Disney say only the movies were canon at this point? Some of the other stuff probably still applies but you may have to take it with a grain of salt.
 
I too agree the Death Star plot line is getting old. Three up, three down...move on please to something else.
 
Captain said:
I too agree the Death Star plot line is getting old. Three up, three down...move on please to something else.
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Plus the idea of killing the local star to power the weapon doesn't make sense. Say the rebels weren't successful in knocking out the weapon. The First Order now has no light/heat source for the planet, effectively killing that planet, and others in the system. Sorta rendering it useless as a continued base of operations.
 
rbridges said:
Thanks for point #1 but didnt Disney say only the movies were canon at this point? Some of the other stuff probably still applies but you may have to take it with a grain of salt.
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They released new novels & comics to cover the time between VI & VII, sorry guess that wasn't clear.

But you're right, the old Expanded Universe that existed before Disney bought Lucasfilm is no longer considered canon (I think they relabeled it Legends or something like that).
 
AggieMike88 said:
Plus the idea of killing the local star to power the weapon doesn't make sense. Say the rebels weren't successful in knocking out the weapon. The First Order now has no light/heat source for the planet, effectively killing that planet, and others in the system. Sorta rendering it useless as a continued base of operations.
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It makes sense in that the weapon required a large sorce of energy to power it.

The planet is no longer a planet.... it's a deathstar, the last thing they're concerned with is the planet being a planet. They would have a heat source as they just consumed a Star......continued base of operations wouldn't be a problem as they turned the planet into a large vessel. You do remember they fired the lasers once before? Which means it consumed a different star.

That's my take on it anyways
 
I think it just got JJ Abramsed

Just like what he did with star treck, jack the action scenes up and put the story telling and anything cerebral on the back burner.
 
Did you notice the planet didn't explode when they blew it up? The "fuel cells" ruptured and the planet collapsed, building collapsed and figures opened. As the Mellennium Falcon left you can see it turned back into a star.
 
Just saw it last night with the family. My impression overall wasn't that great:

Negatives:

Weak story line with a lot of recycling of old ideas: another death star, another family member gone bad, another alien bar scene, another droid with something the bad guys want.

Watching Han get shish-kabobed

Luke Skywalker not having one line in the movie was an absolute joke.

Seeing my child hood heroes so aged

Positives:

New Characters BB-8 and Rey

Special effects

Solo and Chewbacca back in action.
 
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Captain said:
I just pointed out on a StarWars thread that Jar Jar Binks is a Sith Master and nobody has a thing to say about that?
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It's been on the Internet for years. Yawn.

Fredbob711 said:
1. A lot of the timeframe between Episodes VI & VII is fleshed out in other forms of media (novels, comics).

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2. Someone mentioned the Senate spanning all the movies. The only mention of the Senate in the original trilogy is when Vader announces that the Emperor had dissolved it. The Senate in The Force Awakens is a new entity formed by the New Republic.


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Finn was a great character, and I hope we get a little more of his backstory in subsequent movies. I'm curious to see if he'll turn out to be a Force user as well, maybe not on the level of Rey but it would explain things like how apparently the brainwashing he was subjected to from childhood didn't work.
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Screw "fleshed out in novels and comics"... I went to watch a movie sequel. Not have to go do research at the library to figure out what happened between episodes.

See above for what I think of the Senate backstory. At least name it something different if the only way it makes sense is by buying a book to be an addendum to the bad screenplay writing.

Finn could be really interesting. Who says the brainwashing didn't work and he's been "allowed" to think he's "different"? Possibilities for a good writer abound. Not that I think they have any good writers...

SkyHog said:
Needs more Jar Jar
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I live close enough to you to come slap you.

FlyingTiger said:
Seeing my child hood heroes so aged
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Just think how annoyed they are seeing that you shave and aren't in short pants anymore. Haha. ;)
 
Failed attempts at "good writing" ruined episodes 1-3. Try watching them with a five year old and see if he can unravel all the political machinations and backstory. Who cares about all that ****? The original movies were horribly inconsistent and filled with plot holes and theatrical devices that do nothing but move the action forward. THAT'S classic Star Wars.

If you want mind numbing consistency and novel-worthy explication at the expense of an interesting movie, I recommend the Hunger Games.
 
Star Wars was the 2015 Christmas Eve movie. I thought it sucked. Rehash of tired old ideas (the hidden Jedi instead of the hidden base, the giant weapon on the small planet instead of the weapon the size of a small planet). I figured the bad guy was related to someone, this is JJ Abrams after all.

I knew Han Solo was going to get skewered the second he stepped on the gang plank thingie. Sorry, I saw this movie in 1976 and it was way, way better.

And Carrie Fisher should stop appearing in movies. In addition to looking like pudu her voice is simply gone. Pathetic given that she's in her 50's.
 
steingar said:
I knew Han Solo was going to get skewered the second he stepped on the gang plank thingie. Sorry, I saw this movie in 1976 and it was way, way better.
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It was clear the moment he handed Chewie the detonator. He might as well have said "I'll be right back", to let us know he wouldn't be returning.

Why these precarious gang plank thingees? How much extra money do guard rails cost in the future?
 
StevieTimes said:
Why these precarious gang plank thingees? How much extra money do guard rails cost in the future?
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ROFL. Especially in a world where Senators glide effortlessly around huge rooms on floating platforms so they can argue with each other.

Couldn't possibly just install a couple of those things on both sides for shuttling back and forth across giant chasms that people keep falling into.

;)
 
bflynn said:
1 - Why was there a map to Luke Skywalker? WHO TF drew a map to Luke, then split it into 3 parts, then gave part to a droid? This was the premise of the film, shouldn't it have been a good premise?
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This bothered me too, he disappeared there and was so sloppy that someone was able to make a map, but then instead of using it they broke it apart and sent it off to the galaxy. I think this storyline has potential, I just wish they had created a little more back story.

bflynn said:
2 - If the Rebellion won and there is once again a Republic and a Senate, why weren't they fighting the First Order? What exactly was the Rebellion...I mean Resistance resisting? Were they resisting the rebellion of the First Order? But wouldn't that be the Republic's job?
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This is interesting, they don't give a precise timeline, but how did the Republic manage to gain so little control that the First order was allowed to rise so easily? Did the Senate just never regain control?

bflynn said:
3 - Without practicing, how did Rey become so accomplished with the Force that she could attack and almost beat a Sith apprentice? Was it through osmosis? Or just because the apprentice was so bad? Or perhaps she was drawing on the dark side, she did look pretty angry during that fight? Was it all a setup like at Endor?
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That went through my head, but I can write this off to the idea that the "Force is strong with this one."


Overall, this is a Star Wars movie, and it was done well, it was not a huge leap in technology as I had feared it would be. The story line doesn't pull together quite as tightly as one might like, but I am not sure any of the movies have. Our expectations are just higher now.

Without re-reading who to cite, the post above about spending time with an old friend is a good one.
 
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