"Staggering" Pilot Shortage?

paflyer said:
Then why does it take 1500 hours + to learn which button to push when the "system" turns a red light on?
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It does not. That is an artificial number that has no basis in reality. The advocates point to the Colgan air crash. Both pilots had more then 1500 hours and this would not have changed the outcome.

Tim

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Cue the super pilots who say they could have easily recovered from the Colgan accident.
 
tspear said:
It does not. That is an artificial number that has no basis in reality. The advocates point to the Colgan air crash. Both pilots had more then 1500 hours and this would not have changed the outcome.

Tim

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Yes they did BUT NO FOUNDATION !!!!! If there's no foundation total time means very little.
 
tspear said:
It does not. That is an artificial number that has no basis in reality. The advocates point to the Colgan air crash. Both pilots had more then 1500 hours and this would not have changed the outcome.

Tim

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Tim, my comment was pointing out the irony (there's no green font on this forum!)
 
jordane93 said:
Cue the super pilots who say they could have easily recovered from the Colgan accident.
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Do you have to be a super pilot to add full power and push the yoke forward in an impending stall?
 
The only robot ever needed.

and...probably why I am a single pilot.

Just flip it on hyper-loop and watch the shortage disappear.

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Datadriver said:
I'm still laughing at Tesla. They cannot exist without the $7500/car tax credit, Solar City was losing $ and was absorbed into Tesla. How does this story end?
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Yeah this is a great point. Tesla has over a year waiting time if you want to get their first model car right now. They can't even get that right and people still take them seriously and try and justify the 320 dollar a share stock price. It's not a car company, it's a "hope" company. They are selling people on the hope that one day all electric cars will be the wave. Really?? The Prius has been out for many years and literally their market share is negligible and sales are decreasing year over year. With oil stuck at 50 dollars a barrel and gas in most places below 2.50 cents a gallon, the days of people needing to find ways to cut costs on gas are not now! The other hope they sell is that their battery technology will be the energy source for the future. I don't know either way but that is an amazing gamble that could totally flop.

To the topic at hand. I'd love to fly professionally. In fact, I would seriously consider it if I knew I could make 80,000 after 2 years at an airline. The issue for me though is the cost to get 1,500 hours and all the railings is essentially like paying for college all over again. I can't realistically do that so until airlines figure out a way to make that cost less impactful I'll slowly accumulate hours and rating over the next 20 years and look to fly professionally starting in my 50's after I retire from being a teacher.
 
paflyer said:
Do you have to be a super pilot to add full power and push the yoke forward in an impending stall?
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It's easy to say "I would have done...." in a situation that you weren't involved in. No one knows what they would have done until they're actually involved in it. Sometimes we do silly things under pressure in an emergency.
 
Datadriver said:
I'm still laughing at Tesla. They cannot exist without the $7500/car tax credit, Solar City was losing $ and was absorbed into Tesla. How does this story end?
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With 400'000 people placing pre-orders for vehicles that will not have the tax credit going forward?
 
jspilot said:
Yeah this is a great point. Tesla has over a year waiting time if you want to get their first model car right now.
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They have a year waiting time because of the pre-orders. Try ordering 400'000 Bolts and see how long GM will take to deliver that. Heck, for that matter if you order 400'000 extra F150's, you'll put the Ford assembly line out by a year as well.

I'm not saying Tesla can necessarily deliver that. They still have to prove they can built anywhere close to 10'000 vehicles per week. But it's not really valid to criticize them for having pre-orders.
 
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Stop bonuses and increase hard and soft pay benefits.
 
jordane93 said:
It's easy to say "I would have done...." in a situation that you weren't involved in. No one knows what they would have done until they're actually involved in it. Sometimes we do silly things under pressure in an emergency.
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You'd think they would have at least noticed their decaying airspeed, no?
 
mscard88 said:
You'd think they would have at least noticed their decaying airspeed, no?
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Maybe. They're both dead so it doesn't really matter now. But saying, "I could have done better" is a pretty crappy thing to do.
 
jordane93 said:
Maybe. They're both dead so it doesn't really matter now. But saying, "I could have done better" is a pretty crappy thing to do.
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Unless I've missed it, who said that? They screwed up very badly and took innocent lives with them. You don't apparently fault them it appears.
 
deonb said:
With 400'000 people placing pre-orders for vehicles that will not have the tax credit going forward?
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I heard the number is actually up to half a million now. I'm one of them. I'm not buying a Tesla because gas is too expensive or I want to save the planet. I'm buying it because it's actually a pretty nice car and it works for my situation. And because I like gadgets - of course.
 
mscard88 said:
Unless I've missed it, who said that? They screwed up very badly and took innocent lives with them. You don't apparently fault them it appears.
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Everytime Colgan comes up you get posters saying, I would have done this, how did they mess this up, this is basic knowledge, etc. Of course it was the crews fault but it's not my place to armchair pilot the crew and say I could have/would have/should have done X,Y or Z
 
OK, I see your point. Thought perhaps you were defending them and what they did. Got your point now.
 
My segment of the industry (corporate) is starting to see a decline in qualified, competent pilots. Thankfully this is resulting in a boost in salaries, but I don't think they will ever reach what the major airlines pay.

jordane93 said:
Cue the super pilots who say they could have easily recovered from the Colgan accident.
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It doesn't take a super pilot to push the power up after leveling off from a descent. That is basic airmanship.
 
Groundpounder said:
My segment of the industry (corporate) is starting to see a decline in qualified, competent pilots. Thankfully this is resulting in a boost in salaries, but I don't think they will ever reach what the major airlines pay.



It doesn't take a super pilot to push the power up after leveling off from a descent. That is basic airmanship.
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It's easy to say what you would have done when you weren't in the situation.
 
jordane93 said:
It's easy to say what you would have done when you weren't in the situation.
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I would have pushed the power up after leveling off, just like I did when I was training for my instrument rating

The low altitude stall they got into was possibly not recoverable, but how they got themselves into that stall was simply poor airmanship. I'd like to hear your argument for how it wasn't.
 
Groundpounder said:
I would have pushed the power up after leveling off, just like I did when I was training for my instrument rating

The low altitude stall they got into was possibly not recoverable, but how they got themselves into that stall was simply poor airmanship. I'd like to hear your argument for how it wasn't.
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:rolleyes: Once again, it's easy to armchair pilot.
 
Groundpounder said:
So what is your take on what happened?
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It's not my place to say what happened or what I would have done. Im sure there are things I would have liked to do given the situation but I'm not in the NTSB! I'm not typed on a Dash 8, I haven't flown through a snow storm in a Dash 8, and I haven't commuted across the nation then operated a flight. I'm not qualified to say what I would have done.
 
jordane93 said:
It's not my place to say what happened or what I would have done. Im sure there are things I would have liked to do given the situation but I'm not in the NTSB!
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Great but the NTSB told us what happened.

Anyway, I think you're just trolling at this point.....or at least I hope so.
 
Groundpounder said:
Great but the NTSB told us what happened.

Anyway, I think you're just trolling at this point.....or at least I hope so.
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Sure. The private pilot is clearly superior to the Colgan pilots. You obviously would have done better than those pilots. We need more qualified airline pilots like you!
 
"The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of this accident was the captain's inappropriate response to the activation of the stick shaker, which led to an aerodynamic stall from which the airplane did not recover. Contributing to the accident were (1) the flight crew's failure to monitor airspeed in relation to the rising position of the lowspeed cue, (2) the flight crew's failure to adhere to sterile cockpit procedures, (3) the captain's failure to effectively manage the flight, and (4) Colgan Air's inadequate procedures for airspeed selection and management during approaches in icing conditions."

https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Pages/AAR1001.aspx
 
The answer is far simpler than the hyper loop - Automated driving is what will kill the regionals, certainly.

Art VanDelay said:
I heard the number is actually up to half a million now. I'm one of them. I'm not buying a Tesla because gas is too expensive or I want to save the planet. I'm buying it because it's actually a pretty nice car and it works for my situation. And because I like gadgets - of course.
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Same. Even at full price it's a good value, IMO.
 
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