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Very true but below 1000AGL I can get all the weather info I need on my iPhone. Above that ADSB has been 100% coverage for me in the southeast.

Also nice that my home drome has ADS-B on the field. Many of the larger GA fields are getting this capability
I'm guessing that your home field may be Lee County (sorry, I'm still behind the curve re the proper name - Raleigh Executive South or something).

I still don't understand what "on the field" means exactly. What I experienced last year flying out of 8NC8 to KTTA was no weather from TO to landing at KTTA. Then during my rollout at KTTA, I would suddenly get weather. From that point, I would get weather from that point on until returning to land at 8NC8. I have Navworx UAT box. With no rational explanation, I repeated the same trip twice with a 2 week period with the exact same experience. We did some further testing and installation checking but never got to the bottom of it. Now I get weather sitting on the ground at 8NC8. Traffic is the flukey part now. Just sayin'
 
Well by that formulation, are you saying that both together are sufficient? I'm thinking that the implication is:
Nexrad + Stormscope = important tools but not sufficient by themselves
Because who ever has enough tools?

What I want is one real-time (tactical) device and one strategic device.

Conditions dictate what might be acceptable.

Million-mile visibility out west, where one can see the cells far-off? Eyeballs alone might do.

Stuck in the soup (a layer) in IFR conditions with embedded storms? Stormscope and Nexrad.

In and out of clouds with some cells building nearby? Nexrad + Stormscope+ eyeballs.

Below the layer or above the layer with decent vis? Nexrad + eyeballs.

What I'm trying to say is that Nexrad is the single best tool for light plane fliers looking to avoid TRSAs.

The thing about a cell building within the Nexrad delay time is true. But my take on such situations is that you must have enough visual contact to spot such a development. And the thought that, "If you rely on Nexrad, you really need to observe the trends. It's not perfect, but far better than a Nexrad snapshot." is absolutely true.

In some places on IFR you can't get the altitude to see everything you need to see. DC area is one, Chicago is another. In others you might be in a layer (Gulf coast is notorious). If you can't see them build, you want a tool that can help - IMHO, for the way I fly, Nexrad is very useful, but not the whole story.
Coming out of Oshkosh a couple of years ago, controllers warned me of a fast developing cell directly on my path. I was visual, I could see two towering Cus to my left and right. Nexrad agreed with what I was seeing. The gap was big enough to get through by my estimation, but ATC continued to express concern. Never did quite figure out what they were seeing. Maybe they were looking at a new cell developing below me but on my path. I could see that was a possibility but it was clear I would be gone before I would be caught from below. I appreciated their support buy motored on without deviation.

If you can see it, fine. I got a similar call out of ABQ a few years ago - by the time I got halfway to the hole, it closed. I could see that one, easy enough to go around. But plenty of times on the DP out of Washington area you're altitude restricted and simply don't have the option to see more than a few miles (if that much).
In my flying, I have to see the convective activity, at least some parts of it at least some of the time. I consider flying 100% IMC in embedded TRSA situations a crap shoot. If you would say that a Stormscope with Nexrad is sufficient for embedded TRSA avoidance, maybe that's right. I'm sure it's better. But again I have zero experience.

So, what's the most important single addition to the typical light plane for TRSA flying? I'd say Nexrad and I'd say that Nexrad alone is sufficient to greatly expand the range of conditions that can be comfortably flown. At the same time I'm challenging the idea that Stormscope alone is as capable or that adding Stormscope to Nexrad significantly expands one's capability. If I had it, I'd use it, especially if I had some experience with it. But I wouldn't add it as a cost effective capability expander.

It depends on your flying. Every tool expands the range of conditions - I agree. nothing<stormscope<Nexrad<Stormscope+Nexrad<onboard radar+Nexrad. Each device expands the range of conditions, but none is perfect. I fly a fair amount of conditions that include embedded - the eye is not sufficient w/Nexrad (for me).
 
What I want is one real-time (tactical) device and one strategic device.

Conditions dictate what might be acceptable.

Million-mile visibility out west, where one can see the cells far-off? Eyeballs alone might do.

Stuck in the soup (a layer) in IFR conditions with embedded storms? Stormscope and Nexrad.

In and out of clouds with some cells building nearby? Nexrad + Stormscope+ eyeballs.

Below the layer or above the layer with decent vis? Nexrad + eyeballs

In some places on IFR you can't get the altitude to see everything you need to see. DC area is one, Chicago is another. In others you might be in a layer (Gulf coast is notorious). If you can't see them build, you want a tool that can help - IMHO, for the way I fly, Nexrad is very useful, but not the whole story.

If you can see it, fine. I got a similar call out of ABQ a few years ago - by the time I got halfway to the hole, it closed. I could see that one, easy enough to go around. But plenty of times on the DP out of Washington area you're altitude restricted and simply don't have the option to see more than a few miles (if that much).

It depends on your flying. Every tool expands the range of conditions - I agree. nothing<stormscope<Nexrad<Stormscope+Nexrad<onboard radar+Nexrad. Each device expands the range of conditions, but none is perfect. I fly a fair amount of conditions that include embedded - the eye is not sufficient w/Nexrad (for me).
Comparing my flying in NC with flying in and out of the DC area, I realize that I'm a bit spoiled by dominant Bermuda high conditions. Given that operations to and from one's home base shade one's perspective, my home base is often under Bermuda high conditions where blue skies regularly turn into afternoon TRSAs. Usually with high bases, big buildups but with some separation between cells. Moving 200 miles north, summer conditions lean more towards milky skies, lower ceilings and obscured buildups.

I also fly out of the sticks. So departure/arrival procedures and the altitude restricted clearances common in the DC/Phillie/NY axis are limited to certain destinations rather than my home base. Being cleared to fly over the Class Ds and under the Class Bs around NJ on a milky convective afternoon gets pretty hairy though the main hazard is often aluminum.

So I can see how a Stormscope can give you something more than eyes and Nexrad though a powerful radar unit would be ideal. Without sferics or radar, there are some limitations that this pilot has to respect. A Stormscope would clearly add some capability to Nexrad, ground radar and a well calibrated pair of eyeballs.

Faced with outfitting a plane for IFR weather flying, especially if doing it from scratch, Nexrad is clearly the first tool. Given the cost:benefit ratio it would seem almost mandatory for the OP's situation. As I recall, he didn't have it and could have used it, though it was a flight from a year ago and I'm sure he's added it since.

For me, Nexrad has made IFR operations in the SE summer more of a hit than a miss proposition. Heck, it makes VFR operations less of hit or miss proposition too but it can also get you in deeper in trouble. I'll probably go no further given what's out there. Radar remains out of reach and sferics costs a bit much for the added capability in my flying.

When I was deeply involved in developing my panel I was unaware of any fellow builders putting sferic devices in their planes. I didn't see any support for it in the experimental EFISs either. Not sure of the reason except that the calculus for many was probably similar to mine. If I had it in an existing plane, clearly I would want to keep it.

Even radar has its limits as I guess all users know. Just after the G396 with XM came out, I had it in my Maule for frequent trips to south FL. Coming up the coast to a convective mess around Jacksonville I was trying to figure out how to get inland of the coastal line of convection. To the eye it looked like a solid wall. Jacksonville seemed to be totally blocked off and I was faced with heading out over the ocean (noooooo) or doing a 180. However, I could see a hole right over the city on Nexrad. Some jets coming down from the north were apparently painting cells that seemed to completely block them off from JAX airport. Coming from the south, I could 'see' just enough with Nexrad and the mark20s to ask for vectors right over the airport and the city. At least one of the jets went for an alternate as I was flying over the airport with visual contact. I know that the G396 quickly found its way into a lot of pro cockpits but it had only been on the market a few months at that point and for a moment, me and my Maule had the advantage! It was very cool.

Now if the little airport I finally landed at had had some SS Low Lead, my little victory celebration would have been more sweet.
 
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Just after the G396 with XM came out, I had it in my Maule for frequent trips to south FL. Coming up the coast to a convective mess around Jacksonville I was trying to figure out how to get inland of the coastal line of convection. To the eye it looked like a solid wall. Jacksonville seemed to be totally blocked off and I was faced with heading out over the ocean (noooooo) or doing a 180. However, I could see a hole right over the city on Nexrad. Some jets coming down from the north were apparently painting cells that seemed to completely block them off from JAX airport. Coming from the south, I could 'see' just enough with Nexrad and the mark20s to ask for vectors right over the airport and the city.....

Good conversation here. Bill I think the key in what you said is that you could see a hole over the city with your eyes. Personally I would not trust a hole I saw on NEXRAD alone. XM Wx is a strategic tool not a tactical tool! I recall years a go flying out to Gastons in a Warrior with a borrowed 396 aboard. The 396 was painting some nasty looking stuff over central Kentucky, we tried to divert around the goo (to the up wind side) and as we neared we saw that the cells had actually moved quite a distance down wind from where the 396 was showing it.

I also recall a post on here from Scott Dennstaedt who probably the most respected Wx Guru on this board where Scott, posted a Nexrad return that showed a clear area or a hole and then he posted another image I believe from NOAA that showed nothing less than what I'd call a deadly line of high intensity cells. The difference in images from the same time was staggering.
 
Good conversation here. Bill I think the key in what you said is that you could see a hole over the city with your eyes. Personally I would not trust a hole I saw on NEXRAD alone. XM Wx is a strategic tool not a tactical tool! I recall years a go flying out to Gastons in a Warrior with a borrowed 396 aboard. The 396 was painting some nasty looking stuff over central Kentucky, we tried to divert around the goo (to the up wind side) and as we neared we saw that the cells had actually moved quite a distance down wind from where the 396 was showing it.
Thanks.

You got that right. Without the visual and the Nexrad views combined, I would never have ventured into that hole.

But I would submit that the combination of Nexrad and visual contact is a good tactical tool set. Significantly more effective than either on its own. However, you need to respect the limitations and not get carried away. :no:
 
Thanks.

You got that right. Without the visual and the Nexrad views combined, I would never have ventured into that hole.

But I would submit that the combination of Nexrad and visual contact is a good tactical tool set. Significantly more effective than either on its own. However, you need to respect the limitations and not get carried away. :no:

Agree, and that's true regardless of the tool(s).
 
I'm guessing that your home field may be Lee County (sorry, I'm still behind the curve re the proper name - Raleigh Executive South or something).

I still don't understand what "on the field" means exactly. What I experienced last year flying out of 8NC8 to KTTA was no weather from TO to landing at KTTA. Then during my rollout at KTTA, I would suddenly get weather. From that point, I would get weather from that point on until returning to land at 8NC8. I have Navworx UAT box. With no rational explanation, I repeated the same trip twice with a 2 week period with the exact same experience. We did some further testing and installation checking but never got to the bottom of it. Now I get weather sitting on the ground at 8NC8. Traffic is the flukey part now. Just sayin'

"Raleigh-Exec"

On the field means that there is a local ads-b station on the airport property. With a stratus + foreflight, I get good signal and full weather info + radar while sitting on the ramp.

At other local airports (Siler City for example) I get zero ads-b reception on the ground. Around here it usually connects around 500-700 AGL.

I am a little surprised you get weather on the ground there at 8NC8.
 
Cumulus stage: Mostly, if not all updrafts, light chop to light/moderate turbulence. Great lift though.

Mature stage: Updrafts + downdrafts = moderate to heavy to z0mg!!! turbulence + plus heavy rain + hail possible.

Dissipating: Mostly to all down drafts and light rain.

If there's rain it's (at least) mature and that's the worst place to be. So if you see where it's raining, you avoid it and avoid the turbulence and downdrafts.

Worse than z0mg!!! More like, "rip the wings off".
 
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