Seriously Apple, slowing down older iphones?

Hmm, I thought introducing facts into a POA discussion was against the terms of use. ;)
 
jsstevens said:
And those satellites are engineered to NOT get anything like peak current nor maximum charge from those batteries. Like so much of engineering where real physics is involved it’s a series of trade offs. Those systems were engineered to get maximum life in an environment where replacements are, shall we say, impractical. Maybe you’d weight battery life over performance for your phone but many would choose differently and most consumers wouldn’t understand the trade offs. Saying that it’s crappy design is ignoring the design trade offs. It may be a mistake but it wasn’t an accident.
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I’d be fine with it if I never had a phone that was 1/3 the size of the iPhone that *did* last a week, in the past. Once you build an expectation...

Hell, my AMPS Motorola brick phone lasted longer in standby than my iPhone. Haha.

The decision to go small wasn’t an engineering decision, it’s aesthetics. Which are mostly moot for everyone since everyone slaps a case on the things and makes them twice as thick on day one, and it never comes out of the case again.

Otterbox wouldn’t exist if these things were built right as phones and not fashion gadgetry.
 
How can you evaluate your battery's health objectively? I mean by measuring, not guessing.
 
denverpilot said:
I’d be fine with it if I never had a phone that was 1/3 the size of the iPhone that *did* last a week, in the past. Once you build an expectation...

Hell, my AMPS Motorola brick phone lasted longer in standby than my iPhone. Haha.

The decision to go small wasn’t an engineering decision, it’s aesthetics. Which are mostly moot for everyone since everyone slaps a case on the things and makes them twice as thick on day one, and it never comes out of the case again.

Otterbox wouldn’t exist if these things were built right as phones and not fashion gadgetry.
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And since these are products, aesthetics are one of the trade offs. They’re not weighing the variables the way you (or I) would but that doesn’t make them wrong or stupid.

And if your flip phone did everything an iPhone does, we’d all still be using them. Or they wouldn’t last on standby nearly as long. Or both.

I do think it’s a shame there’s no such thing as “just a phone” anymore. But apparently there isn’t enough of a market.
 
jsstevens said:
Batteries peak and total capacity change over time. Do you arbitrarily limit speed at the beginning so there’s no slow down (Tesla and other electric car manufacturers choice).
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Actually no. A Tesla has a a huge difference in performance when fully charged vs. not. They don't try to smooth it out or hide it - the UI even draw lines for you for the maximum performance you can expect out of the battery on both the power and regen scales, based on the state-of-charge/temperature etc.

I think if Tesla tried hiding it, drivers would be up in arms about it. But as it is, it's just something you do - if you want a fast start at a track, fully charge your battery and warm it up first. And nobody cares since we all know this.

I think we expect the same from Apple - do whatever you need to do to make the tech work, just tell us what you're doing.
 
jsstevens said:
And since these are products, aesthetics are one of the trade offs. They’re not weighing the variables the way you (or I) would but that doesn’t make them wrong or stupid.
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Asthetics alone is almost always stupid, for something that needs to be both aesthetically pleasing and also technologically the leader to demand the highest price. Apple always eventually makes this mistake.

The X isn’t selling nearly as well as they thought it would, they always warned on earnings, and Samsung confirmed the more advanced S9 today already — where they’re already ahead at the Note 8 and the S8, and Apple was behind.

Apple is going nowhere under Cook. Been saying that since he took the job. Jobs and the Board picked the “safe” logistics guy, and he’s taking headshots from his own vendor and his investment in LG didn’t pay off.

Unless he found someone creative behind the huge secretive Apple curtain, and there’s a “skunkworks” building the next device, they’re hosed.

Judging by the precipitous drop in iOS quality, I’d say they let the talent walk out the door. Cook doesn’t value it. Creation of amazing stuff is way too messy for him.
 
jsstevens said:
There are apps that purport to do just that. Since they don’t seem to be selling anything I think it’s reasonable to assume they’re somewhat accurate. Here’s one:
Battery Life: Check battery's runtimes by Ken Ken
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Only 7% worse than new, according to this app. This is a 6S that is a little more than two years old. It’s one that is eligible for a free battery up to three years after purchase. I think I will wait.
 

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denverpilot said:
I’d be fine with it if I never had a phone that was 1/3 the size of the iPhone that *did* last a week, in the past. Once you build an expectation...

Hell, my AMPS Motorola brick phone lasted longer in standby than my iPhone. Haha.

The decision to go small wasn’t an engineering decision, it’s aesthetics. Which are mostly moot for everyone since everyone slaps a case on the things and makes them twice as thick on day one, and it never comes out of the case again.

Otterbox wouldn’t exist if these things were built right as phones and not fashion gadgetry.
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They can sell more if folks shove them in the back pocket and sit on them...
 
Everskyward said:
Only 7% worse than new, according to this app. This is a 6S that is a little more than two years old. It’s one that is eligible for a free battery up to three years after purchase. I think I will wait.
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If you trust the battery data given out by the OS to the wear level app(s). I wouldn’t. What reason would anyone have to trust Apple in this regard right now?

The apps have no direct access to the battery charge hardware or the stored data about the battery that the charging hardware tells the OS to maintain.

These apps can only ask IOS for the battery data.
 
denverpilot said:
If you trust the battery data given out by the OS to the wear level app(s). I wouldn’t. What reason would anyone have to trust Apple in this regard right now?

The apps have no direct access to the battery charge hardware or the stored data about the battery that the charging hardware tells the OS to maintain.

These apps can only ask IOS for the battery data.
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I don't notice that my phone is any slower than it ever was, so I feel no reason to take advantage of the free battery replacement until the offer is almost expired, or I sense a difference. FWIW, I always update to the new OS, so it's not that I'm running an older, supposedly faster, one.
 
Everskyward said:
I don't notice that my phone is any slower than it ever was, so I feel no reason to take advantage of the free battery replacement until the offer is almost expired, or I sense a difference. FWIW, I always update to the new OS, so it's not that I'm running an older, supposedly faster, one.
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Unless it changed it’s a $29 replacement discounted from $79. Not free.
 
I'm still on a 5s. I think I mentioned that. Maybe I didn't. But yes, that is what I have. Still works fine, seemingly. I'll upgrade in about twenty years.
 
Sac Arrow said:
I'm still on a 5s. I think I mentioned that. Maybe I didn't. But yes, that is what I have. Still works fine, seemingly. I'll upgrade in about twenty years.
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Good for you Sac. That's where I should have stopped. Love that phone. Hate the 6S with the side on/off control. "You'll get use to it" they said. "You'll love it" they've said.
 
Hawker800 said:
Good for you Sac. That's where I should have stopped. Love that phone. Hate the 6S with the side on/off control. "You'll get use to it" they said. "You'll love it" they've said.
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Jobs would just tell you you’re holding it wrong. LOL. Cook won’t even acknowledge problems at all. I think I prefer Jobs’ way.
 
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