Real Men Flew the Boeing 707, 727 and the DC-8's

John Baker

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WHEN YOU HEARD (YES SIR CAPTAIN) from Dispatch, Flight Service, Ground Service, Maintenance, your copilot did not carry NASA get out of jail forms, and CHIEF PILOTS HAD BALLS.



In the age of the 707.

Those were the good old days. Pilots back then were men that didn’t want to be women or girlymen. Pilots all knew who Jimmy Doolittle was. Pilots drank coffee, whiskey, smoked cigars and didn’t wear digital watches.

They carried their own suitcases and brain bags like the real men that they were. Pilots didn’t bend over into the crash position multiple times each day in front of the passengers at security so that some Government agent could probe for tweezers or fingernail clippers or too much toothpaste.

Pilots did not go through the terminal impersonating a caddy pulling a bunch of golf clubs, computers, guitars, and feed bags full of tofu and granola on a sissy-trailer with no hat and granny glasses hanging on a pink string around their pencil neck while talking to their personal trainer on the cell phone!!!

Being an Airline Captain was as good as being the King in a Mel Brooks movie. All the Stewardesses (aka. Flight Attendants) were young, attractive, single women that were proud to be combatants in the sexual revolution. They didn’t have to turn sideways, grease up and suck it in to get through the cockpit door. They would blush and say thank you when told that they looked good, instead of filing a sexual harassment claim. Junior Stewardesses shared a room and talked about men, with no thoughts of substitution.

Passengers wore nice clothes and were polite, they could speak AND understand English. They didn’t speak gibberish or listen to loud gangsta rap on their IPods. They bathed and didn’t smell like a rotting pile of garbage in a jogging suit and flip-flops. Children didn’t travel alone, commuting between trailer parks. There were no mongolhordes asking for a “mu-fuggin” seatbelt extension or a Scotch and grapefruit juice cocktail with a twist.

If the Captain wanted to throw some offensive, ranting jerk off the airplane, it was done without any worries of a lawsuit or getting fired.

Axial flow engines crackled with the sound of freedom and left an impressive black smoke trail like a locomotive burning soft coal. Jet fuel was cheap and once the throttles were pushed up they were left there, after all it was the jet age and the idea was to go fast (run like a lizard on a hardwood floor). Economy cruise was something in the performance book, but no one knew why or where it was. When the clacker went off no one got all tight and scared because Boeing built it out of iron, nothing was going to fall off and that sound had the same effect on real pilots then as Viagra does now for those new age guys.

There was very little plastic and no composites on the airplanes or the Stewardesses’ pectoral regions. Airplanes and women had eye pleasing symmetrical curves, not a bunch of ugly vortex generators, ventral fins, winglets, flow diverters, tattoos, rings in their nose, tongues and eyebrows.

Airlines were run by men like Howard Hughes and Juan Trippe who had built their companies virtually from scratch, knew many of their employees by name and were lifetime airline employees themselves…not pseudo financiers and bean counters who flit from one occupation to another for a few bucks, a better parachute or a fancier title while fervently believing that they are a class of beings unto themselves.

And so it was back then….and never will be again.
 
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Well said, not that I am an airline captain, but I like it! I heard I guy on the radio the other day referring to this change in men's behavior. He called it the "pussafication" of men in America. :dunno:
It's not just the airline pilots, it's the whole country, so many people look for things to offend them, so they can be the victim of some offensive behavior or word. :mad2:
 
Well said, not that I am an airline captain, but I like it! I heard I guy on the radio the other day referring to this change in men's behavior. He called it the "pussafication" of men in America. :dunno:
It's not just the airline pilots, it's the whole country, so many people look for things to offend them, so they can be the victim of some offensive behavior or word. :mad2:

"The pussification of the American male"

My dad listens to him too
 
I agree, great write up. My dad flew Pan Am from 1945 to 1980 and got to experience all that.
 
There was very little plastic and no composites on the airplanes or the Stewardesses’ pectoral regions.

I, for one, celebrate the enhancements of medical technology since the demise of the 707 and DC-8.
 
The old 'sky god' safety records were pretty poor by modern standards.
 
The grass is always greener on the nostalgia side.

The 60k that a 747 Captain made in 1970 could buy a lot of things. Pay was pretty good back then. I am thinking that is equivalent to 600k today, lots of things are up 10x what they cost then.
 
The 60k that a 747 Captain made in 1970 could buy a lot of things. Pay was pretty good back then. I am thinking that is equivalent to 600k today, lots of things are up 10x what they cost then.

not an airline ticket though
 
The 60k that a 747 Captain made in 1970 could buy a lot of things. Pay was pretty good back then. I am thinking that is equivalent to 600k today, lots of things are up 10x what they cost then.

Yeah, except most of the Captains had to go through a war and get shot at to be in those seats. Not a lot of ERU grads flying airliners back in the day.

Like I always say, nostalgia just isn't what it used to be.
 
not an airline ticket though

good point about the airline ticket. the deregulation with charging for peanuts, baggage, toilet paper, etc. has I guess worked in that it has kept the price of the ticket down.

I remember when you could not show up for a flight and get your money back.
 
21 years on the B727, 3 as FO and 18 as Captain. What a great old airplane.

Nice post.

Was it true that you would pop a certain breaker, then deploy a few deg of flaps at cruise to gain 5-10 knots? Or is that an OWT.

BTW, I've instilled these kind of values in my kids, and we do not fit well into a society of both namby, and pamby types. My response: Tough tyttie.
 
Even better to hear round engines belching and farting to life. Clouds of blue smoke, lots of rattles and bangs and then the monster roars. Connies, DC's of every number 4 thru 7 and Stratoliners. A turbine just whines like a Politician looking for campaign money.

Now those were the real airplanes. :yes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWj3oLjHEJY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Cheers
 
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DC's 4-7? Pansies. Those had namby-pamby tricycle gear. REAL pilots flew big lumbering tailwheel aircraft like DC-3s and took 18 hours and 4 or 5 stops to fly coast to coast.
 
Yeah, except most of the Captains had to go through a war and get shot at to be in those seats. Not a lot of ERU grads flying airliners back in the day.

Like I always say, nostalgia just isn't what it used to be.

My dad got his seat by spending the War in Avon Park, FL teaching cadets how to fly Stearmans
 
There were some guys doing that, but after the "Hoot" Gibson TWA fiasco that stopped. :rolleyes:

I didn't know about that. I was in the jump seat of a AeroMexico plane a long time ago, and the co pilot was fiddling with what I thought was the flaps, but we were in cruise so it didn't make sense. My Spanish wasn't up to the task of asking why they had flaps going out at FL310. I had to go back to my seat in coach when we dropped down to Tijuana.
 
I didn't know about that. I was in the jump seat of a AeroMexico plane a long time ago, and the co pilot was fiddling with what I thought was the flaps, but we were in cruise so it didn't make sense. My Spanish wasn't up to the task of asking why they had flaps going out at FL310. I had to go back to my seat in coach when we dropped down to Tijuana.

If you disable the leading edge devices and put the flaps out a "2" it was suppose to give an increase of speed by lowering the nose a couple of degrees.

Many years later this was developed: http://quietwing.com/performance-systems/
 
There were some guys doing that, but after the "Hoot" Gibson TWA fiasco that stopped. :rolleyes:
To attest to the strength of the 727 design, that exact airplane was still flying cargo in the US a few years ago. A pilot who flew it said it never flew straight, though.
 
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