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woodstock

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Hello all,

someone here offered to give me some advice on real estate investment, I'm sorry but I don't recall his name, but I believe he is in Dallas.

if you're reading this and it applies to you, feel free to email me.

thanks...

Beth
 
I gots some swamp land in Florida yuz ken hav fer cheep!
 
Bet it was Dave Siciliano; Dave is (besides being a heckuva guy) managing to feed himself adequately in the real estate developing business, with enough left over to feed a P-Baron.

Also throws a fine Hangar Party.
 
i have ocean front property in Arizona, well as soon as california sinks into the sea.
But im gonna hold on to it. what an investment!
 
Isn't he the guy that builds housing developments next to airports then organizes the community to protest the noise/danger of the airport so he can then get an option on it, close the airport, and build more houses?

JUST KIDDING DAVE! :)

And there are a few of us involved in the real estate industry on this board. In fact I have some fine bridges in my inventory in case you're interested. :rofl:
 
woodstock said:
Hello all,

someone here offered to give me some advice on real estate investment, I'm sorry but I don't recall his name, but I believe he is in Dallas.

if you're reading this and it applies to you, feel free to email me.

thanks...

Beth

The good areas in Seattle are rising at ~20%/year ...but that will be stopping and probably reverse soon because I'm buying more property.
 
Dave Theisen said:
Buy Low, Sell High :rofl:
So, in real estate terms, you should buy flood plains and wait for them to become mountains through continental drift? ;)
 
Greebo said:
So, in real estate terms, you should buy flood plains and wait for them to become mountains through continental drift? ;)

You should see how much money is racing to bid up properties in New Orleans. It's amazing. People are finding that they can get a lot more money for their properties now than they were worth before the hurricane. In some cases, condition is immaterial.

I like the concept of good, reliable, income-generating properties, not in fancy neighborhoods but in areas near colleges and military installations where there is always a need for rental units. These are often overlooked in the land-rush for capital gains.
 
Okay, in the midst of all this clap and rattle I feel compelled to bring up a serious, yet delicate, issue.

Namely, those areas in the gulf states devestated by the recent hurricanes. I have so far resisted pursuing opportunity following disasters but this time is different. Why is it different?

Because this time I feel such sorrow for those folks. I do not have much faith in govt, whether it be local, state, or federal, to fulfill the needs of those people in order to restore their lives. That coupled with the fact that the disaster areas are so large I feel I need to do something more than just writing relief checks. Even if it means moving from our current residence.

Does this mean I'm pure and completely altruistic? No. I would like to establish a business and I would like that business to make a profit. There, I've said it...

I want to be a part of the rebuilding effort and I want to profit from it. However, to dissuade the reader from thinking I am a cold hearted so and so calloused to people's sufferings, let me add that I do not wish to profit if to do so contributes to that suffering.

But to be most effective takes expertise. Not knowing those areas I realize I would need to avail myself of those folks who do know those areas. Hence, I have been already thinking I should contact Dave S for at least some insight or perhaps some contact names.

This is a difficult issue but I believe it needs to be addressed.
 
I responded to Beth off board.

It's difficult for me to make general comments about real estate because it's such a localized market. I have no idea how the rehabilitation of NO will work; so, it's difficult to have an opinion. One would think existing land with utilities to it, that is not contaminated could be rebuilt first; however, one needs to know what city leadership supports. LA doesn't follow English Common Law; so, the principles of law are substantially different than what you may be used do. What do city and county ordinances say? Will they be changed. For existing homes in good locations where utilities work or will soon and no contamination, demand should be strong, but there is much more to consider.

I'm not an investment advisor!!

In general, one needs to analyse supply and demand. Look at where there will be more future demand than supply for new product. For existing, folks want safety, a well built home, good schools and a neighborhood with good access to employment and shopping (assuming utilities are available). It's usually a pretty simple matter to scout out good existing neighborhoods; then learn as much as you can about that market. After a few houses change hands, you can get a pretty quick feel for value.

All that said, single family housing is a very inefficient manner in which to invest in rental housing. Single family has been good because it's appreciated a lot, not because rents have necessarily risen.

Apartments have much better economics as far a rental. Think about it: common walls and roof means cheaper building costs; no yard to maintain; common amenities a single family home would not have. The problem in my area has been with low mortgage rates, renters that could qualify were lured to purchase homes. That left renters that couldn't qualify or didn't want to own. Rents softened, taxes and maintenance costs increased. Profit got thin or disappeared. So, one could argue single family demand was artificailly increase by lower mortgage rates and multi family suffered.

As far as single family home investment, pick a solid neighborhood renters can afford to be in. School districts are important to young families. How does one get to work and shopping areas? Look for good, construction and low maintenance materials. Let location dictate. Higher crime areas, poorly built neighborhoods, poorly rated schools and many other things can hurt value.

Many markets are ignoring fundamentals. House payments as compared to what a median income owner can afford to pay are way out of wack. It's getting to where fewer and fewer folks can afford home payments. The fewer that can afford them, the fewer you can sell to later. Financing has become very aggressive. Leverage makes a good deal better and a bad deal worse! As folks pay higher and higher investment entry prices, upside will be limited more and more.

There are major economic principles at work and local ones. What will baby boomers want in the future? What will the next generations want? Will long term rates rise (really a matter of when)?

Don't know how much this really helps, but what has made me successful is to have found a niche where homebuilders demand land in good locations; I find the best deals where they want to be and position product for them. I have purchased raw land in the past with seller financing in anticipation of development, but land prices have escalated four or five fold, original owners have sold to intermediaries (aka-speculators); little seller financing is being offered and prices are so high, I see limited upside.

Other telling things here are how unsophisticated folks are making purchases I have passed on and bragging about it!! When I looked into the tract, there were substantive development problems--they didn't care.

It's easy to get into an investment if you have money; the difficult part is getting out in a target time frame with a reasonable profit. Think about how you're going to get out of this investment. Who will buy it? The thinner the universe of purchasers, the more narrow your exit.

Best,

Dave
 
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Dave;

I love your long post; I got a lot of leads on land on the Eastern Shore. But you have to love those Blue Crabs. They are the neighbors where I live. We go and catch a few and have a feast.

John
 
I know nothing about residential real estate other than owning my own home, which I am renting out while still in Colorado. So I guess that makes me a real estate investor. LOL! I do know a little about commercial real estate and its my feeling and feelings of many of my colleagues that we are at or near the top of the market, again depending on region. Interest rates are driving Capitalization Rates (annual yield) higher and therefore prices must come down. We haven't really seen it yet, because long term interest rates are still historically low and haven't risen as much as short term rates. These long term rates are the ones that mortgages are based upon. In addition, rates of returns in other investments like the stock market are still relatively low so alternatives for Capital aren't doing any better than investment real estate. However, I don't think the sky is falling either. As rates gradually rise, valuations MAY gradually decrease. The economy will have an effect on this also. If we have positive economic conditions, there will be more demand for commercial real estate space from corporate tenants, so values could stay high or even go up. See how easy this is? This is just a general perspective, not intended for investment advice.

P.S. I am not an investment advisor....either! :)
 
John J said:
But you have to love those Blue Crabs. They are the neighbors where I live. We go and catch a few and have a feast.

You just HAD to mention crabs didn't you?
 
Richard said:
Okay, in the midst of all this clap and rattle I feel compelled to bring up a serious, yet delicate, issue.

Namely, those areas in the gulf states devestated by the recent hurricanes. I have so far resisted pursuing opportunity following disasters but this time is different. Why is it different?

Because this time I feel such sorrow for those folks. I do not have much faith in govt, whether it be local, state, or federal, to fulfill the needs of those people in order to restore their lives. That coupled with the fact that the disaster areas are so large I feel I need to do something more than just writing relief checks. Even if it means moving from our current residence.

Does this mean I'm pure and completely altruistic? No. I would like to establish a business and I would like that business to make a profit. There, I've said it...

I want to be a part of the rebuilding effort and I want to profit from it. However, to dissuade the reader from thinking I am a cold hearted so and so calloused to people's sufferings, let me add that I do not wish to profit if to do so contributes to that suffering.

But to be most effective takes expertise. Not knowing those areas I realize I would need to avail myself of those folks who do know those areas. Hence, I have been already thinking I should contact Dave S for at least some insight or perhaps some contact names.

This is a difficult issue but I believe it needs to be addressed.

I know I'm a SOB:
Buildings can be made highly hurricaine resistant for not too much more extra money but, I think anybody that builds in a storm surge or any flood plain ought to have their head examined and worse, those that re-build in such areas, well, this is a family board so I won't get in to what I think of them.

It's too bad we'll all be paying for their wisedom on top of it all.
 
I was told by a knowledgeable real estate investor..

"You make your profit going in.. and realize your profit when you sell. If you can't.. then it's not a good deal."

It sounded good to me.

Dakota Duce

"May All Your Flights Be Of Good Weather!"
 
Anthony said:
You just HAD to mention crabs didn't you?


Just had some today; The Crabbng season is going well here.

I apologize for the thread drift but this area is a real nice spot to live and reasonable. Real Estate is plentiful.


John
 
There have been several recent articles in the news that are indicative of folks making speculative real estate investments. I'll try to point a couple out this weekend. New York Apartment prices droped about 13% last month; vacation home prices are getting very high is many areas; raw land has appreciated in many areas past the point where a user can purchase it and make a profit. Second and third homes are being purchased by a lot of folks.

Raw land and vacation homes are some of the first things to be sold when times get a little tight. There was also a good article on reconstructing New Orleans. A major homebuilder is trying to go in there and talks about some of the issues.

Best,

Dave
 
Dave Siciliano said:
There have been several recent articles in the news that are indicative of folks making speculative real estate investments. I'll try to point a couple out this weekend. New York Apartment prices droped about 13% last month; vacation home prices are getting very high is many areas; raw land has appreciated in many areas past the point where a user can purchase it and make a profit. Second and third homes are being purchased by a lot of folks.

Raw land and vacation homes are some of the first things to be sold when times get a little tight. There was also a good article on reconstructing New Orleans. A major homebuilder is trying to go in there and talks about some of the issues.

Best,

Dave


thanks Dave - these are some of the things I have been concerned about and am looking into - this is clearly vacation property (albeit for investment). although I don't intend to flip, I intend to hold. I think flipping was a good idea 2 yrs ago - not now.
 
woodstock said:
thanks Dave - these are some of the things I have been concerned about and am looking into - this is clearly vacation property (albeit for investment). although I don't intend to flip, I intend to hold. I think flipping was a good idea 2 yrs ago - not now.

Also, if you can wait to purchase for a year or two, that may be wise. With interest rates going up, prices should start to come down a bit in some markets. And interest rates will continue to go up according to my crystal ball. :)


Disclaimer: The above not intended as investment advice, but for amusement purposes only. Product may seem less due to settling of contents in shipment.
 
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