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SixPapaCharlie

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I have a pet project in my brain and I am trying to figure out how to attack it. Essentially, I want to get a balsa kit that is a simple trainer. Flat bottom airfoil, 172 clone type deal.

I want to make it fly backwards.

Here is what I think I have to do:
1. Reverse the wing structure so leading edge is on the back and tapers out toward the tips. Trailing edge will be in the "front" and straight. so the shape looking down on the wing will be identical it is just that it will be rounded on the "back" and control surfaces on the "front"

On the ground it will look strange from the profile view. In flight, it should look normal

2. Pusher prop. That's straightforward

3. I would reverse the elevator such that the elevator is fixed and the horizontal stab. actually moves to make it slightly less squirly. Or possibly convert to a flying stab.

4. Same with the rudder but might just build it to be fixed.

5. Steering / rotating back on the "front" wheel is going to be interesting

Now what to do with the CG?
My initial thought would be to move some weight back to put it under the first 1/3 (on the main spar) which would now be in the rear of the wing but then I got to thinking that CG is about balance from tip to tail and maybe it should be left in the same place as intended as that how the plane with its intended weights would be balanced in the air.

I have a throwaway plane in the garage that I am going to test by simply putting the pusher on and reversing the wing and reducing the servo throws just to try it but I am thinking about getting a Goldberg Eagle 2 or something similar and trying to re-engineer it to fly backwards.

Anyone know if this has been done before or anyone can give an obvious reason it won't work. Ideally, I would like to have scale model that looks meticulously like the original but flies backwards.

There are many RC canards so to some extent this is just a redesign of that.

Thoughts?
 
You will throw that one away.

I was almost taking you seriously until you mentioned CG. :goofy::goofy::rofl:

You been drinkin'? It's not good for you you know.
 
What's the purpose of the exercise? I was thinking canard, but you are already aware of the existence of such. Again, what are you seeking to accomplish?
 
You don't need to get fancy with the airfoil - just avoid having a sharp leading edge.

CG probably needs to be a bit further forward (tailword?) than it would otherwise be to get the CG ahead of the aerodynamic center. Lateral stability will be an issue even if you get the horizontal stability working.
 
Not much going on on Friday night ?
PS: you need small hands for this project.
 
have you ever driven a car backwards fast? your controls are going to be way twitchy. The lift you get from the tail will be all wrong. I say barrell roll off the ground
 
I'll have what he's drinking.
 
No, this is purely for fun. I like to make things unique.
I had a Tamahawk once. I took all the dihedral out of the wing and sheet wrapped it,
Doubled up on the engine power (well from a 25 to a 46)

Was interesting to see a piper tamahawk fly like an air racer.


I want to have a plane that looks "normal" but flies backwards.
Knowing that there are plenty of Long EZ RC planes out there, the canard works fine on a small scale. I am thinking there should be a way to take the mechanics of those control surfaces and apply them the the shape of a Cessna in reverse.

I am probably going to try hacking the plane in the garage just to see if it can even get up or just try something really small scale (cox size)

The fact that when I search for anything like this on the internet and nothing comes back suggests it can't be done. I want to prove it though in hopes that maybe nobody has tried it.

And yes, I do have a screw loose but t works for me so I have come to embrace it :)
 
Take a look at some of these canards. They are not THAT far off what I am imagining

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a1134335-45-canard.jpg
 
have you ever driven a car backwards fast? your controls are going to be way twitchy. The lift you get from the tail will be all wrong. I say barrell roll off the ground

I almost cant imagine anything else but this happening regarding rolling into the ground. The throw on the control surfaces would have to be reduced dramatically, and the aircraft needs to be very slow in order for a person to maintain any sort of control.

It may also need gyros added to the control surfaces. I feel like it is possible though.
 
Go for it. Cool idea. Genius looks crazy only to the daft.
 
hmmmmm...
Trailing end of an aircraft needs a vertical stab huh?

That may be the deal breaker. I know from experience if the rudder comes off mid flight on an RC plane, the fun is over.

Wondering if the design was like a tri pacer where the landing gear struts are flat and solid could be used to "hide" vert stabs nearer the "aft" portion of the plane.

Meaning the vertical stabilizers would be disguised as landing gear struts

tripacer.jpg
 
And yes, I do have a screw loose but t works for me so I have come to embrace it :)

screw? hardware store I'd say...

draw a picture of the yaw forces and you'll see a vertical stab in front is a really bad idea
 
Rudder must be behind the CG. (divergent moment) Unless of course, you want to have a closed loop reaction control with dual channel lateral accelerometers and a high rate servo sampling network to control yaw.
 
hmmmmm...
Trailing end of an aircraft needs a vertical stab huh?

That may be the deal breaker. I know from experience if the rudder comes off mid flight on an RC plane, the fun is over.

Wondering if the design was like a tri pacer where the landing gear struts are flat and solid could be used to "hide" vert stabs nearer the "aft" portion of the plane.

Meaning the vertical stabilizers would be disguised as landing gear struts
Too far forward I would think. A big fairing on the nose wheel might help a lot. Perhaps a big chunk of clear plastic. Also cut away all you can on what was the tail.
 
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