Ran out of things to talk about?

[AirBaker]

Anyone else feel that most threads on this board end back up with 'MAG SUCKS'? There seems to be this bandwagon mentality of lets bash this guy to pieces. Just seems to get more and more childish as it goes on.

 

[SkyHog]

The more you restrict people's words, the more likely they'll eventually reach a point where that's all they talk about.

Some people (not you, Air Baker), have a hard time understanding what happens when you go out of your way to make one person more important than the entire group.

 

[Greebo]

Nick, show me one other aviation related group being bashed here that we're allowing (as in AWARE OF) and you might have a leg to stand on with that claim.

We didn't allow AOPA bashing to take place, we're not allowing MAG bashing to take place. We wont' allow any other aviation group bashing to take place either.

End of story.

 

[SkyHog]

Nick, show me one other aviation related group being bashed here that we're allowing (as in AWARE OF) and you might have a leg to stand on with that claim.

We didn't allow AOPA bashing to take place, we're not allowing MAG bashing to take place. We wont' allow any other aviation group bashing to take place either.

End of story.

Right - but your definition of bashing in the MAG case is nothing like the others. For example:

I Post "How about a MAG Sucks Shirt?"
You delete

I post "I don't go to AOPA anymore, they're jerks."
You post umpteen warnings about how we don't tolerate it, and give a link or two to the RoC.

I post an actual NEWS item about MAG picking a location for their new shop. You delete because there is a copyrighted picture. You know where I stand on the sissy attitude of "Oh noes, we're gonna get sued!" But, that not being the major point, why didn't you just take the offending picture out of the post and let me know why? Instead, you've got either some macho "I'm in charge" thing going on, or you really want to protect MAG, so you deleted the thread and then warned the whole board about violating copyrights.

So lets get this straight: If you see the word "MAG" on the board, and its not "Oh man, Martin Aviation Group is so awesome!" then it'll be deleted. Anything less, and its a violation of the RoC.

BTW - TSA is, in a very big way, an aviation group, Chuck, as is the dude that came up with the blasted wing spin crash recovery thing that everyone bashed. You couldn't have missed that one, it had a lot of posts in it. But MAG was never mentioned.

Other aviation groups you turn your back on: Airbus, Cirrus, those aviators that LEGALLY enter a non-towered airport without radios, "Any Traffic Please Advise"ers, the FAA (bashed more than any other group, I'd say), and umpteed others. You are picking and choosing because he had the nerve to say "Lawyer."

 

[Greebo]

Right - but your definition of bashing in the MAG case is nothing like the others. For example:

I Post "How about a MAG Sucks Shirt?"
You delete

I should, perhaps, want the possibility of PoA to be associated with defamatory remarks?

I post "I don't go to AOPA anymore, they're jerks."
You post umpteen warnings about how we don't tolerate it, and give a link or two to the RoC.

Ah, you're looking for consistency. Sorry, how I respond to issues depends on how much time I have. When I'm pressed for time, I take the path of least effort. Also, the more times we have to repeat a caution, the more harsh the response is likely to be.

This can and will include suspensions, if necessary.

I post an actual NEWS item about MAG picking a location for their new shop. You delete because there is a copyrighted picture. You know where I stand on the sissy attitude of "Oh noes, we're gonna get sued!" But, that not being the major point, why didn't you just take the offending picture out of the post and let me know why? Instead, you've got either some macho "I'm in charge" thing going on, or you really want to protect MAG, so you deleted the thread and then warned the whole board about violating copyrights.

Lots of assumptions here based on your own conjecture. We've warned about copyright issues before. I do not like to edit content. When the initial post of a thread violates the RoC, I have to delete the thread or edit it.

So lets get this straight: If you see the word "MAG" on the board, and its not "Oh man, Martin Aviation Group is so awesome!" then it'll be deleted. Anything less, and its a violation of the RoC.

BTW - TSA is, in a very big way, an aviation group, Chuck, as is the dude that came up with the blasted wing spin crash recovery thing that everyone bashed. You couldn't have missed that one

Wrong

, it had a lot of posts in it. But MAG was never mentioned.

Other aviation groups you turn your back on: Airbus,

Didn't read

Cirrus,

Didn't read

those aviators that LEGALLY enter a non-towered airport without radios,

Didn't read

"Any Traffic Please Advise"ers,

skimmed

the FAA (bashed more than any other group, I'd say),

Government agency, not privately operated, and didn't read

and umpteed others.

Didn't read

You are picking and choosing because he had the nerve to say "Lawyer."

I'm picking things as I happen across them. I removed the posts from the PoA apparal thread because I *saw* them, and if we do PoA apparal, I DO NOT want people making ANY connection between the dislike for MAG here by some and our gear.

As it happens, I did get a call from Martin Aviation Group about the picture, because it was a copyright violation. I happened to be on the phone when I deleted the thread, so I wasn't able to, at the time, post an explanation, and I just slammed up a general notice because thats all I could manage while on the phone at the same time.

Now, that said, I had a lengthy discussion with Troy and the only concern on his mind was the copyrighted material. He expressed understanding that people question his business model and indicated that he has no issue with people asking questions or having opinions. His concern was with the copyrighted material.

Once again, I guess I have to spell out that we do not read every post. You guys talk a lot more than most of us on the MC can keep up with. We rely on bad post reports (which seem to get saved for posts in Spin Zone which half the time DONT violate the ROC), or what we do read ourselves. I read threads of interest to me when I'm tight on time, which is nearly all the time these days. I SHOULD be working right now. When I have extra time I read threads that seem active, but I miss way more than I read.

But if I do read any other posts bashing aviation related groups w/o direct personal experience (ie: Negative FBO reports, etc), I will be responding accordingly.

 

[Greebo]

Response to Jesse deleted as his post was deleted by himself.

I am sorry that its necessary to remind you folks of this, but:

Pilots of America shall have the right and sole discretion to edit, to refuse to port or to remove any content whatsoever which it finds to be in violation of the provisions hereof or which it finds in its sole discretion to be otherwise objectionable for any reason.

The MAG bashing has become excessive. When you (general) go out of your way to inject it into a completely unrelated topic like POA Apparel, you really need to stop and consider who has the bigger issue.

Put it to rest, please.

 

[jesse]

You are entitled to hold your opinion, Jesse. You've made it abundantly clear, to the point that repetition on your part of this opinion is completely unnecessary.

Actually I realised what I was writing was redundant and deleted that post.

I should, perhaps, want the possibility of PoA to be associated with defamatory remarks?

No, POA would be associated with pilots stating their opinion about an aviation organization or topic. Obviously you don't want anything on POA that may be negative towards a group. Negativity is human nature and quite frankly it's what makes the world function.

This is your ship. Run it how you want. Don't be surprised at some point if a medium for pilots to freely discuss aviation topics along with their personal opinions (some positive, some negative) of the aviation community happens to form. I personally like POA and don't want to have to read umpteen forums to read the information written by some talented pilots. I'm on POA to learn more about aviation and meet some people. That's all.

Right now I think POA is on the verge of losing some members. The stall warning is blaring. The controls have lost all feeling. You can either release some pressure and drop the nose to gain back some respect or wait until this place quits flying and plumets.

 

[Greebo]

Don't be surprised at some point if a medium for pilots to freely discuss aviation topics along with their personal opinions (some positive, some negative) of the aviation community happens to form.

We expect that to happen, of course. But as I said above when I edited my earlier reply, when it goes to the point of being injected in completely unrelated topics, its clearly gone beyond simple discussion and into bashing.

 

[Michael]

Right now I think POA is on the verge of losing some members.

Your right there Jess. I am about to leave because i am sick of all the bashing taking place. This is NO WAY for pilots to behave. Other outsiders look in on these boards and see us pilots as just a bunch of whiney babies, bashing each other.
I was going to delete my membership this mornig but could not find where to do it.

 

[Greebo]

Your right there Jess. I am about to leave because i am sick of all the bashing taking place. This is NO WAY for pilots to behave. Other outsiders look in on these boards and see us pilots as just a bunch of whiney babies, bashing each other.
I was going to delete my membership this mornig but could not find where to do it.

Michael,

If you are serious, account deletion is something that must be done manually. Submit a request via pm or through the Contact Us link and we will accomodate your wishes.

 

[bstratt]

Can everyone take a time out to gain perspective here?

Anyone can be destructive but can we be constructive?

Remember Thumper? "If you can't say something nice then don't say anything at all"!

 

[John Recine]

Have I missed the latest piece of MAG information or is it just time to bring it back into view?

Please let me know what I have missed, I am interested in seeing the latest!

Thanks

John

 

[Darrell111]

What i dont understand is..

This is a free forum for us all to use. The people who run it ask us not to talk about certain things and then some act like its breaking the constitution or something. If you disagree with the policies, you dont like the way its run maybe its not for you.

 

[kevin47881]

What i dont understand is..

This is a free forum for us all to use. The people who run it ask us not to talk about certain things and then some act like its breaking the constitution or something. If you disagree with the policies, you dont like the way its run maybe its not for you.

Hey Darrell, while I don't hold the same position as you on most of your posts, this one gets an attaboy, well stated.

 

[Diana]

Remember Thumper? "If you can't say something nice then don't say anything at all"!

Thumper said that????? I thought it was my Mom who made that up!

 

[SCCutler]

What Darrell said.

 

[bstratt]

Thumper said that????? I thought it was my Mom who made that up!

Yep! In the movie "Bambi". Saw it when I was 5 (just a few years ago!).

 

[AdamZ]

1) Michael dont' leave

2) We kinda go through this every year. WE hit slow periods, The fly in season comes to an end yada yada yada. Folks get burnt out then someone posts a good question and things come back to life.

 

[SkyHog]

Well, if its making people want to leave, then I'll say this. I'm done. It is obvious that this is Chuck's forum, and not the community's board.

I'll drop the MAG stuff here. Troy: You win again. Good job. Score another one for the wonderful legal system we have in which normally strong people become weak when they hear the word "lawsuit."

Don't leave Michael. I'm staying, hopefully everyone stays. And I give up.

 

[wbarnhill]

What i dont understand is..

This is a free forum for us all to use. The people who run it ask us not to talk about certain things and then some act like its breaking the constitution or something. If you disagree with the policies, you dont like the way its run maybe its not for you.

Agreed.