Put the damn phone down!

Anthony said:
Common courtesy, common sense, common decency, and politeness aren't so common anymore. Pop culture has deemed them uncool and out of date.
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The key word in those is "common"... if pop culture changes it today, what is "common" tomorrow?
 
Tom-D said:
Talking on the phone when driving. it is no different than talking to any one riding in the car. It requires less attention to answer my phone while driving than tuning the radio. My phone is a hands free device, and has a speaker. it sets in a holder and only requires a touch of a button to answer.
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Study after study has been done about hands free cell phone use and most of the results are the same. It makes no difference if you put the phone up to your ear or have a hands free device.

It's not the phone...it's the conversation that is distracting.

Unless your a passenger.....just don't answer or call anyone while driving let alone try to text someone.

Be safe.


http://www.safebee.com/travel/distracted-driving-why-your-phone-even-hands-free-still-danger
 
I don't mind people texting. What I do mind is the nosey ass people watching them and complaining. If I text while someone tries to talk to me that means I don't care what the fools are saying anyway. Just a way to block them out. LOL
 
pilot_dude said:
Just cut and paste any of his 50,000 posts and it'll be like deja vu all over again. :rolleyes:
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You do realize 30,000 of those 50,000 posts where a fabrication of a certain POAMC member having fun?

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Henning was banned for life due to a well deserved and provoced rant. :rolleyes2:
 
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I think you're wrong on both counts.

Pookies had a bunch of posts added. I don't think Henning ever did. But I don't know that for certain.

And he's not banned for life...only 30 days or so. Unfortunately.
 
The above complaint that someone was upset the purchaser in a store wasn't paying attention to the checkout clerk is why there's self-checkout nowadays. Who needs a checkout clerk?

No offense to any clerks, but scan the silly stuff and put it in the bag. If I'm on the phone it's probably more important than small talk in the checkout lane.

And yes. Asking my wife how the dogs are is more important to me than talking to you. I won't go out of my way to call her when I'm checking out, but if she calls, she's got 20 years on you in my scale of what's important.
 
timwinters said:
I think you're wrong on both counts.

Pookies had a bunch of posts added. I don't think Henning ever did. But I don't know that for certain.

And he's not banned for life...only 30 days or so. Unfortunately.
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Maybe we should be so lucky as to ban the POS that goated him into the argument. That POS would be better off going to the "Girl Scout Annomous" forum. He has no business on a pilot's forum. Just saying. :dunno:
 
So, I'm curious, who you callin' a POS Larry? Come on out and say it.
 
timwinters said:
I think you're wrong on both counts.

Pookies had a bunch of posts added. I don't think Henning ever did. But I don't know that for certain.

And he's not banned for life...only 30 days or so. Unfortunately.
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It would appear he has been "un-banned"

Not sure how to post the screen shot, but the "banned" tag is no longer there. But no new posts as yet
 
denverpilot said:
And yes. Asking my wife how the dogs are is more important to me than talking to you. I won't go out of my way to call her when I'm checking out, but if she calls, she's got 20 years on you in my scale of what's important.
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Talking to your wife about the dogs may be more important than talking to the clerk, but what you are doing to the clerk is just plain rude.

Why is it okay for you to be rude to another human being?


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denverpilot said:
And yes. Asking my wife how the dogs are is more important to me than talking to you. I won't go out of my way to call her when I'm checking out, but if she calls, she's got 20 years on you in my scale of what's important.
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How many calls from your wife couldn't wait the 5 minutes until you could step away? Your blanket assumption is that anything your wife has to say is more important than traditional courtesy. Having been married for 30 years and having raised a child (and kept dogs) I can only remember 2-3 calls that were important enough to interrupt my business at hand.
 
Sac Arrow said:
I think it depends on the situation. Let's say I'm standing at the bar having a few cold ones with my homies (and home girls). We all have our phones. We all check them on a periodic basis. If I'm conversating on a one on one basis I'll leave the phone alone, but during a natural break, I'll check my email or whatever. Same thing with lunch. If I'm sociating face to face I'll leave the phone alone, but again when the conversation breaks I might pick my phone up. No harm, no foul. If I'm in a meeting (f*** I hate meetings) I'll fidget with my damn phone out of SPITE, just to show my distaste for meetings.
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I'd fall in the same boat. A lot of times at the bar, we will all put our phones on the table, first one to reach for their phone to check it pays the tab(exceptions for emergencies or if they are on call).

jkaduk said:
They do on military bases.
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Surprisingly that isn't always true. Just had a friend get some items of his stolen at a deployed base.
 
Gucci Pilot said:
I'd fall in the same boat. A lot of times at the bar, we will all put our phones on the table, first one to reach for their phone to check it pays the tab(exceptions for emergencies or if they are on call).
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Hah! Great one. I'll have to suggest that at the next boyz night.
 
I don't notice it being a problem very often honestly. Only times phones seem to come out while being around others is when all of us are bored or someone is trying to get ahold of another party we're meeting or something.

That is my big cell phone gripe. You can't just say a day in advance "ok we're meeting a Facestuffer's at 6 tomorrow" and have that be that. There are constant texts changing the time, the place, some is always late, etc.
 
I'm bad about being the one who alway grabs his phone and googles for the answer to a topic being discussed. Phones are great for that.
 
Old Geek said:
How many calls from your wife couldn't wait the 5 minutes until you could step away? Your blanket assumption is that anything your wife has to say is more important than traditional courtesy. Having been married for 30 years and having raised a child (and kept dogs) I can only remember 2-3 calls that were important enough to interrupt my business at hand.
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Anything my wife has to say, absolutely is more important than any contrived silly social norm about talking to a checkout clerk. Sorry if you don't see it that way. Nor do I care.

Like I said, I'll use the machine if one is available. Much better experience. Watching someone drag groceries over a laser scanner is about as interesting as watching paint dry.

Plus out here at the local stores, the clerks know both my wife and I, and wouldn't mind at all if I answered her call. They'd tell me to say hello to her. Probably ask if she did well at her latest singing event.

At the big stores in town, I'll never see the same clerk again. Even if I tried. The machines work great.
 
RalphInCA said:
Talking to your wife about the dogs may be more important than talking to the clerk, but what you are doing to the clerk is just plain rude.

Why is it okay for you to be rude to another human being?
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Only under made up contrived rules of "rudeness". The clerk and I have nothing to discuss.

They're going to rattle off a total price I can easily read in the six screens facing me from the typical point of sale system. Even a basic cash register has a screen. By then I'll have already swiped the card and hit "ok".

Also feel free to go back and read that it's not a regular occurrence. But if it does, I really do not care. Not in the slightest.

I'll nod and smile at the clerk and acknowledge they exist, and not hold up the line by not swiping the card or being so distracted not to keep the robotics of scanning products and punching a total button, moving along, so as not to bother anyone with said "rudeness" as defined by people with very strange priorities.

I'll even pause and say "thank you" for taking my money in return for goods. The very model of wonderfulness.

I've probably answered one call at a check stand in a year. Society may disintegrate. Haha.
 
My ex gf and I would have phone wars over dinner. If she saw me touch my phone she'd do something on hers. It would go back and forth until one of us got ****ed and would say something. :no:

I keep my phone on the dash while I'm flying in case I need to check something on FF. I had one student throw my phone into the back of the plane after he saw me use it. :mad2: "Uh, dude did you not notice I was checking the ASOS freq?!?"
 
DrPappy said:
Earlier this year, one of my employees got angry at her boyfriend, decided to jump out of a moving car and was drug 100 feet. It was not pretty, major skin grafts and broken bones. She was lucky to even survive, was unconscious for several days and it took months for her to be able to even walk again. She asked for us to hold her job until she recovered. We usually run at a skeleton crew as it is, but I felt compassion and found a person who was willing to fill in until she returned, so I held it for her for 3 long months.

We kept in contact with her and she said she was counting down the days until she could come back. One of my employees then discovered a Facebook post saying that the injured employee had a long day on her feet for 9 hours. We called her to find out what was going on, but no response. Eventually she texted saying "uh yeah, sorry but I found a new job."

And that my friends gives some insight into the future generation that will be running this country. No loyalty, no decency, no morality.
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It was very good of you to hold her job, but your actions are not typical. Big picture, young employees have no loyalty because they're simply one end of a 2-way street in that regard. And I find it a little amusing that many employers complain about their young employees who are ready to jump ship when something more interesting comes along. For decades, big employers have complained that employees are too rigid and think they are entitled, that it would be great to have employees who are more flexible and able to seamlessly jump from one project to another. Well now we have exactly what we've been asking for in that regard. IMO the problem isn't so much the employees, it's the companies. In the new world employees are part of a specific project moreso than part of a company as a whole.
 
I was giving a talk to 2 new employees about InfoSec and cyber security at our company. One of them had her nose buried in her phone the whole time. I thought "that's kids these days." I even called her out on it in an observational, non-confrontational way. She was multi-tasking, right?

The very next day having finished her on-boarding she goes live with the company at her new position. Within an hour my PC guy and I are headed to her desk to seize her PC because it had alerted IT there was a virus on it (a big deal in my firm). As we walked toward her desk, I said quietly "we're going to have to watch out for this one".

Happily (for me) when we got to her desk we learned she had already been fired. Lasted all of half a day at her new desk.
 
JHW said:
It was very good of you to hold her job, but your actions are not typical. Big picture, young employees have no loyalty because they're simply one end of a 2-way street in that regard. And I find it a little amusing that many employers complain about their young employees who are ready to jump ship when something more interesting comes along. For decades, big employers have complained that employees are too rigid and think they are entitled, that it would be great to have employees who are more flexible and able to seamlessly jump from one project to another. Well now we have exactly what we've been asking for in that regard. IMO the problem isn't so much the employees, it's the companies. In the new world employees are part of a specific project more so than part of a company as a whole.
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I think there's a lot of truth in what you said Jeff. I would submit it's everywhere these days, not just the younger generation(s).

I think there is also a difference between the larger 'Agile' corporations who shed employees like excess inventory and the smaller companies that need quality talent. You get bigger bucks and less stability at the former, versus somewhat less and more at the latter.
 
I've worked for Fortune 50 companies and 100 person startups. None showed any loyalty to their employees, except the Japanese company before the economy tanked in the home country back in the 90s.

At one Fortune company here, our plant had a layoff because sales of products we didn't make had a bad quarter in Europe. "Sharing the pain" was their rationale.
 
Hank S said:
I've worked for Fortune 50 companies and 100 person startups. None showed any loyalty to their employees, except the Japanese company before the economy tanked in the home country back in the 90s.

At one Fortune company here, our plant had a layoff because sales of products we didn't make had a bad quarter in Europe. "Sharing the pain" was their rationale.
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I've been there, rode that horse too. I'm lucky enough to have found one who has multiple employees that have been here 15, 20, 35 years. We have moms and daughters who work here, even a husband and wife.
 
Tom-D said:
...My phone is a hands free device, and has a speaker. it sets in a holder and only requires a touch of a button to answer...
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So if it's a "hands free" device what do you "touch" the button with, your nose?
 
We didn't start the fire :redface:

Food for thought:

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iflyvfr said:
I've been there, rode that horse too. I'm lucky enough to have found one who has multiple employees that have been here 15, 20, 35 years. We have moms and daughters who work here, even a husband and wife.
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U.S. Companys used to be interested in employees welfare as they were oftentimes potential customers. ( henry ford figured this out early) but after so called " globalization" , which is really a hunt for the cheapest labor, companys couldn't care less about employees. Employees are well aware of this so the feeling is mutual.
 
You can see the change in company behavior by simply looking at the department name. When I started in the workforce, companies had a "Personnel" Department. Now they have a "Human Resources" Department. That's really all you need to know about how you're viewed by the so-called leadership at most places.

And...

From pop culture this morning ...

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Jimmy cooper said:
U.S. Companys used to be interested in employees welfare as they were oftentimes potential customers. ( henry ford figured this out early) but after so called " globalization" , which is really a hunt for the cheapest labor, companys couldn't care less about employees. Employees are well aware of this so the feeling is mutual.
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I never saw work as anything more than a business transaction. They're buying my time and expertise. That's all it is.
 
cowman said:
I never saw work as anything more than a business transaction. They're buying my time and expertise. That's all it is.
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I've made good friends who have lasted a lifetime at a couple of places and worked for some really great bosses. I don't see it as a completely cold transaction. I called one of my oldest adult friends up just this last Friday to relate my new bosses commentary on my personality to him, so he'd get a good laugh. I guess I'd list him more as a long time mentor than just a boss. His kids have funny nicknames for me, and we've watched them grow up from little ones to married and having their own kids.

So there's still humanity a'plenty in business. But it's still business. I also understand the business reality is that you must make or save the place at least your salary plus benefits cost, or you're gone.

And sometimes outside circumstance pops up and makes one or the other of those fail. Sometimes bad decisions by others or yourself. Etc.

Nobody is guaranteed anything. That I know firsthand.

Currently working on installing this wisdom into a millennial who's really sharp but often only does the bare minimum to get by. He will cap himself out of future better opportunities all on his own if he's not careful. He has natural people skills and only needs to buckle down on some harder technical stuff to really be an irreplaceable asset to us, or anyone else who hires him.

He's at that stage where he knows he can float and not study and get an "A" at his current role, but hasn't quite figured out yet that a couple of "C" or "B" efforts toward something harder and more important to the company, will result in experience he can easily turn into a future "A" doing a much more valuable job.

It's interesting being in the mentor roll now. I can see some of the frustration of my old boss when I'd do the same thing.

You're right. Buying time and expertise. But you do have to make relationships and be willing to work with and learn from people who can show you the steps to the next level. If you want to go there, that is.

For me, my next progression is in learning to back up and be more strategic than operational and let the young guy take over the operation. I think he will, but I haven't quite figured out what pushes his "go" button yet. He does fine when no one else is around, but if he can sit back and watch, he will. Which probably means I have to make myself look busy enough on the things I don't want him to try to tackle yet, that he will "help out" on the things I do want him to start tackling, and he will have to be given some room to fail and guidance on how to dig out of the hole he digs himself into. :)
 
DrPappy said:
And that my friends gives some insight into the future generation that will be running this country. No loyalty, no decency, no morality.
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It's not really a generational thing, just an entitlement thing. 20 years ago I had a key employee (45 or so at the time) decide she was depressed and took short term disability under the ADA. Just when her short term disability was about to run out (she'd been rejected for long term), I got a call from someone checking references on Depressed Girl, who said Depressed Girl said on her application she'd quit three months ago.
 
Tom-D said:
Talking on the phone when driving. it is no different than talking to any one riding in the car. It requires less attention to answer my phone while driving than tuning the radio. My phone is a hands free device, and has a speaker. it sets in a holder and only requires a touch of a button to answer.
Being rude is simply being rude in any form, the phone is simply another way to be rude.

Yesterday at the market, I saw this woman with three kids all of them running around raising hell, while she held up the check out line by taking on her phone, and not realizing she was next.
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In one sentence you say the phone is not a distraction. In the next you point out how big a distraction ion it can be. Your second sentence was the true one.
 
I did the unspeakable the other day. Wife's younger sister was in town with her soon-to-be-husband and we invited them over for dinner (I am somewhat of a cook).
When they arrived, I asked them to turn off their smartypants cellyphones or there is no dinner. You should have seen the dumb faces. I said we wanted to talk and catch up over dinner. They did not exactly turn the phones off but they put them on silent and left them in her purse. Good enough for me.
We ended up having a really great dinner with nice conversation. I bet the sister didn't realize how much she missed actually talking with her mouth instead of texting all those OMGs, LOLs and such.

Yes, I realize I am getting old. :)
 
Saw a handwritten note taped to the wall at a bar in Brussels that said, "Sorry, no WiFi, talk to each other and get drunk!"
 
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