Thank you. I have read about the PA-28. My concern was that it was faster and harder to learn than the 172. Possibly a matter of preference in the comparisons I've read? I have never flown in a Piper aircraft. I have been in both a Cessna and a Beechcraft.
Thank you. I was thinking of it as if I am spending $10k for plane rentals, it would be better to put the $10k into owning and pay the hourly rate for the CFI. The training school has spoke of a LeaseBack program. I read one article on here today, and now knowing more, don't really think that would be beneficial for me.
I've been researching the cost of ownership. I have not found any specific cost details other than insurance/hangar fees. I don't know the yearly maintenance costs or what it takes to actually fuel the trips I'd do most often.
So keep researching. Unless you are a committed pilot (at this point you aren't even a pilot) who will fly a lot your purchase may not bring you any cost-savings you dream of.
It must be a matter of preference. I personally prefer Cessna but both are very equal in capabilities as well as difficulty to fly(very easy).
Thank you for your response. I have been reading about average costs of the 172, and have taken the approach of just like a car, the "too good to be true" price probably will come with hidden repair fees. I found a local place that does pre-inspections. I am trying to find out if there are several in the area. I am in the beginning stages but these forums have been an extreme wealth of knowledge.
Pa 28, are easier to fly. I started in 172, bought a pa 28 and finished in it. But DO NOT buy a plane thinking it will be cheaper, because it won't be. Buy it if u want to, I did, long before solo and I only regret not buying it earlier. In my defence, it's hard to find a good plane with everything u want, when u want.
What made you choose to switch to the Piper over the Cessna? What are the things, I may want that would need to be added/upgraded? I am trying to learn as much as I can before making such an investment.
^ This x1000
Also this. The ONLY cost issue I see is how much insurance might be for primary training.
In my area, the plane rental costs are $130-$175 depending on the school for the 172. Pa28 is $175 and up from what I have seen on the rate sheets. My thought process was this...getting to know my own plane brings a different level of comfort and familiarity. Much of what you have stated here. Some of the time restrictions for the schools plane won't fit into my schedule. This is another reason that I haven't picked a school yet. There are a few that do allow for training in my own plane and it cuts the training costs significantly, so about $6-10k. I am not going to rush and buy a plane without gaining further knowledge. Thank you for your input.
I called one of the 2 places and was told $1000/yr for a student owner with while training. One of the schools would require me to put them on the policy if they train me in my own plane. I am still researching that.
I will look the step up options up as I'm sure I would want to upgrade after flying for awhile. I would need to start at the 172 if I go with Cessna due to the weight restrictions. This is what I was told by the flight school. So, 4 seater it will be.
Another way to go is to forego the flight school and just find a local instructor instead. Could be cheaper and likely better instruction as he’s unlikely to have dozens of simultaneous students and be beholden to some dumbass school policies around stage checks or pre-check ride sign offs.
thats pretty close - i paid $900 with my flight school on the insurance as names insured same with hangar
This is one of the things I’ve never understood. Why the hell does anyone care about avionics? Gap seals? Sure. But avionics? I have more functionality in a tablet for a few hundred dollars than any panel mounted option can give for dozens of thousands of dollars.
I get that. It’s like upgrading the stereo in a car. New stereos can be super nice.
Are both of these for the iPad? I flew with one pilot that had no iPad. The 2nd pilot that I flew did. It was amazing to actually be able to see what each plane was and how far it was from us with clear understanding. I could tell with no knowledge of flying that it was American Airlines or a Delta Plane.
exactly
. on back to low vs high wing
The likelihood is that whatever plane he buys will have an old school GPS that can do RNAV approaches if needed. Doesn’t need to be fancy touch screen with color displays.Can you do RNAV WAAS approaches with ForeFlight?
Sure, if you're VFR only, you shouldn't care much. But saying no one should care is ridiculous.
What is that? I will not be getting the instrument ratings for awhile. I do understand IFR and VFR. I do not however understand RNAV WAAS approach... You just gave me another thing to research. ThanksCan you do RNAV WAAS approaches with ForeFlight?
Sure, if you're VFR only, you shouldn't care much. But saying no one should care is ridiculous.
they both are EFB - electronic flight bag, and there are lot of others. just know its great for VFR, not legal for IFR - if you want to pursue that route, u want something panel mounted. also, iPad overheats and shuts down , exactly when u need it the most. i keep an iPad on my right seat, barely look at it though.
Back in my college days, I put an Alpine system into a ‘68 bug (early 80’s). The stereo was worth more than the car. I had different priorities back then, I guess. I almost put an IFR panel in my ‘68 Cherokee, but sold the plane instead (I couldn’t quite justify it).
Dollars to donuts, you’ll have what you need for the instrument rating, provided you have a nav head connected to a VOR and one with a glide slope.
RNAV is a precursor to GPS, though a GPS can do an RNAV approach just fine. A VOR cannot. I any case, if you will be pursuing your IFR in the future, it is cheaper to buy a plane with the right panel, now, rather than face an upgrade later. Avionics lose at least half their value the minute you install them.
I'm open to finding one. I know I just need a CFI. I wouldn't know where to find one. Would I call the airports? I see a lot of the school training is done online as well.
I see some pilots have Ipad Minis mounted. That is definitely something to think about. Although one should always have a backup plan when it comes to electronics. They all seem to have that issue...never a problem, until you need them most.
What I do - I have my iPhone and my tablet at the ready. Tablet is option 1. Idea it fails, phone becomes option 2.