luvflyin
Touchdown! Greaser!
Where did he say he was a revenue airman? Like he was an airline pilot commuting/dead heading to work.
Morgan3820
Ejection Handle Pulled
I welcome the discussion, always.
Tarheelpilot
Final Approach
- Joined
- Dec 5, 2010
- Messages
- 7,506
- Location
- North Carolina once again.
- Display Name
Display name:
Tarheelpilot
Not here…
Why else would it have matter that he was planning 12 hours bottle to throttle?
Tarheelpilot
Final Approach
- Joined
- Dec 5, 2010
- Messages
- 7,506
- Location
- North Carolina once again.
- Display Name
Display name:
Tarheelpilot
I have had other jobs that required minimum sobriety periods prior to reporting for work. One of them was unloading trucks in a freight facility. Nothing all that unique about the policy.
that said. It’s very unlikely the op is not a pilot considering all the circumstances surrounding the post.
Eric Brunelle
Pre-takeoff checklist
I am assuming that he got pulled over because the cop noticed some deficiencies with his driving.
Kritchlow
Final Approach
- Joined
- Dec 2, 2014
- Messages
- 7,884
- Display Name
Display name:
Kritchlow
Nowhere. But… how many folks commute to work via airline, wear a uniform, post this on POA, and have a showtime?
That does narrow the field a bit.
I agree 100%
What?
When did I say it was ok?
Who did the poster kill again?
I missed those two parts, please remind me.
If we are going to beat the drum of melodrama, I know people who were killed flying with pilots who were low time, if you’re low time why do you think it’s ok to kill people? See, it’s a silly argument.
The guy made a dumb mistake, he will have the lawyer bills and fines to show for it, he didn’t kill anyone, sounds like he didn’t even damage anything, he should and will pay for his stupid actions, but the let’s draw and quarter him crowd is just hysteria.
Last edited:
Morgan3820
Ejection Handle Pulled
No mistake. A mistake is going to the wrong address. Driving drunk is a willful act. You know you’re drunk. Everyone knows you shouldn’t be driving while drunk. He worked at it. Just because he didn’t kill somebody this time doesn’t make it OK. This might not be the appropriate forum for this discussion, but it doesn’t make me wrong.
DaleB
Final Approach
You know... obviously it's possible for someone to get stopped the very first time they drive somewhere at or above the level where they're intoxicated. Of the people I know personally and those that I know of who have been busted for DUI, though, I don't recall a single one that was a surprise.
Whitney
Ejection Handle Pulled
Drunk driving is the same as pointing a gun at innocent people. You just don't do either.
Just because nobody died THAT TIME, doesn't mean they won't next time.
Just because nobody died THAT TIME, doesn't mean they won't next time.
Ether you don’t have much experience with guns, or you’re suffering from some major melodrama.
Morgan3820
Ejection Handle Pulled
I’ve shot CMP matches for twenty years. Load my own ammo. Not sure why that is relevant.
I think that it is an apt metaphor.
SkyChaser
Pattern Altitude
- Joined
- Mar 22, 2020
- Messages
- 2,292
- Display Name
Display name:
SkyChaser
I'm trying to figure out what you're meaning with this. Are you saying that it's okay to point guns at people you're not trying to shoot or saying that drunk driving isn't as dangerous as pointing a gun at people or?
Shooting fudd matches isn’t quite the same, but ok.
Your claim is having a few drinks, going to bed, getting up a little too early, driving somewhere, and getting stopped, that’s the same to you as me pulling my daily carry out and pointing it at your t box?
Making the comparison is very very dramatic
Morgan3820
Ejection Handle Pulled
Both willful, immoral, illegal acts that imperils the innocent. So, yes. Sorry you can’t see that. Fortunately the courts and the FAA agree with my position
Last edited:
SkyChaser
Pattern Altitude
- Joined
- Mar 22, 2020
- Messages
- 2,292
- Display Name
Display name:
SkyChaser
In a way, yes. But both are pretty dangerous and dramatic things with horrible potential consequences. I would never point a gun at someone unless I had to shoot them, because I could kill or seriously hurt someone that way. Likewise, I would never get into a 1-2 ton car when I was still drunk enough to blow a .09 and drive, because I could kill or seriously hurt someone that way. .09 is not a trivial BAC. If it were less, maybe I'd understand your point, but that is still pretty drunk.
Daleandee
Final Approach
- Joined
- Mar 4, 2020
- Messages
- 6,877
- Display Name
Display name:
Dale Andee
I'm wondering if your "troll" percentage should not have been a whopping bit higher.
Brad Z
Final Approach
Going to bed, waking up, getting dressed and hopping into the car and driving some amount of distance and getting pulled over, presumably administered a field sobriety test, and then FINALLY blowing a .09 into a breathalyzer does not suggest that the OP had a "few drinks" the night before.
who did the poster kill again?
You also know speeding kills more than drunk driving, perhaps we should arrest all speeders and subject them to the same penance?
Do you also think they guy going over the posted artificially low speed limit is “pointing a gun” at people?
How many is a few?
Yeah the guy got pretty drunk and screwed up the next morning, however if we were to toss all these people away and throw away the key, we wouldn’t have had the troops to fight WWII, and most wouldn’t make it out of college.
Dumb yes 1000%
Worth destroying a man’s life over, no
I am a little older, so different generation, but I do not think this zero tolerance stuff these days is going to turn out well.
Morgan3820
Ejection Handle Pulled
So he has to kill somebody before you think this is bad? I’m just stunned that people think this behavior is excusable. This ain’t getting us nowhere. I’m done. I hope you never found out the hard way how wrong you are.
Kenny Phillips
Final Approach
- Joined
- Jul 29, 2018
- Messages
- 5,634
- Display Name
Display name:
Kenny Phillips
Speeding per se kills nobody. It just brings more energy to the crash scene.
But still, this guy gets one chance from me, if he hasn't any "priors".
Tarheelpilot
Final Approach
- Joined
- Dec 5, 2010
- Messages
- 7,506
- Location
- North Carolina once again.
- Display Name
Display name:
Tarheelpilot
You’re focused on the wrong reasons for being wrong. I don’t think anyone here thinks this wasn’t a willful act that required punishment. You keep bringing that up like it’s material to the criticism you’re received but at least in my case it has no bearing to what I’m objecting to in your original post I quoted.
A bit dramatic, don’t you think?
Keeping someone out of an airplane cockpit is hardly “destroying a man’s life.”
I said it was bad a few times
But it’s not akin to killing someone, as no one was even injured.
Living like by “what could have” “would have” ends up here.
And I would be glad to take my remote risk of getting hit by a drunk than live in a world like that.
If it’s how he puts food on the table, yes that is destroying a man’s life.
Morgan3820
Ejection Handle Pulled
Ok. Remind me where I am wrong. I lost track. Somebody used the word mistake which I took exception to. I felt it needed clarification. Kind of like the Difference between an accident and an incident.
Last edited:
Brad Z
Final Approach
How many WW2 vets are still flying in the airlines?
Anyone who hasn't been locked in a cave for the last 40 years knows that the airlines, the FAA, and most importantly, the flying public have an expectation that pilots don't eff around drinking their azzes off the night before they're expected to fly paying passengers.
The culture has changed. This behavior isn't acceptable any more. It may have been tolerated in the past, but it wasn't even really acceptable then either.
This dude wasn't exactly commuting to his barista job. His performance matters. Guys like the OP are made an example of so that others who follow him will at least use the fear of loosing a job as an incentive to make good choices.
Daleandee
Final Approach
- Joined
- Mar 4, 2020
- Messages
- 6,877
- Display Name
Display name:
Dale Andee
Better choices = better results. Yes you can quote me on that!
If you want to take that view (I don’t), then perhaps a pilot should consider that getting sloshed the night before a flight might “destroy his life.”
It’s the OP’s own actions in the face of known consequences that are in question. I don’t think anyone held him down and poured booze down his throat.
121 has a mandatory retirement as I’m sure you know.
And yes, society has changed, you really think compared to back in the days which I speak, it’s been a change for the better? Have you looked around lately?
DaleB
Final Approach
No. If he's not flying for an airline, there are plenty of other jobs he could do to get by. No one HAS TO fly for a living or they can't make it in life. I know one or two people who aren't working in their preferred careers due to the long term impact of poor life choices like DUI; they're not begging on street corners.
Brad Z
Final Approach
I certainly think the aviation safety culture has changed for the better. Ever look at 121 safety stats going back 80 years?
SkyChaser
Pattern Altitude
- Joined
- Mar 22, 2020
- Messages
- 2,292
- Display Name
Display name:
SkyChaser
In order to "turn back time" to the days of which you speak, you would also need people to have morals, a work ethic, and an understanding that things you do, like driving drunk when that could seriously hurt or destroy your career, have consequences and sometimes, very unpleasant consequences and that those consequences are your fault for choosing to engage in the activity.
Last edited:
Unfortunately, might not be the result. If, for whatever reason, the OP was unable to take that flight, someone else needed to be called up at the last minute to take the flight. Because of this, the flight may be delayed, possibly (likely) causing the ripple effect on other flights not to mention passenger delays or missing connections.
PaulS
Touchdown! Greaser!
Jackk, the problem is the next chances and leniency you are looking to for this guy, have been done in the past and pilots who got them have continued to act badly with some pretty bad results.
The zero tolerance policy of the FAA toward alcohol issues for revenue pilots has been around for years now. This guy went out, got drunk, woke up drunk and got arrested. Many bad decisions, he will pay the price. Hopefully he can get his act together, but he should have known better. He should have stayed home.