PSI Fee Change Goes Into Effect on January 1

As far as the test questions spontaneously changing to get around test memorization, that could be problematic.

It's also a solution in search of a problem. The things that are killing pilots aren't whether they know the precise way to enter a holding pattern or whether they mix up something between magnetic and true headings. Poor ADM is what kills pilots, and no written test can adequately address that.
 
Which are they violating?

It is the Government's discretion to evaluate that in detail, but when a vendor starts engaging in this type of anti-competitive (they are favoring their own test sites) behavior, someone should be asking questions.
 
I own/operate a flight school with a testing center. I've been with three different companies because of all the mergers.

Each merger or software change is somehow worse than the one before it. We used to be able to help applicants schedule and open slots day of or whenever they wanted. Applicants could cancel/reschedule without a penalty (if we approved it, which most of the time we did), now that is gone. Scheduling is all done through their awful interface and as a center we are not given any training on so we can't even help confused applicants through the process. The books are pretty expensive and you have to have as many copies of each as you do computers for testing (3 in our case, the minimum) so you're spending many hundreds every time there is an update. I can make a maximum of $66 (3 computers) for 3.5 hours of a proctors time.. under $19/hr and that's if all the stations are in use at $22 per test. Not to mention I pay for the computers, the internet, the heating/cooling (and PSI will write you up if an applicant complains about the temperature...), the scratch paper, the pencils.... you get the idea. It simply isn't worth it.

The upside in my case is that with the change there is another local place that can give FAA tests. They don't seem to do them often but they do show up every couple weeks. So I've decided that our testing center will only be opened when one of our students needs an exam. I used to accommodate the general public (drones mostly) but I can't afford to give exams at this rate so it's a choice I've made. I've already gotten a lot of angry phone calls about how someone needs to take an exam in the next couple days but there's nothing I can do, PSI made their choice. It's unfortunately at the cost of the applicants, not of the testing providers. I expect many places will follow.
 
This is all so stupid. You could securely give these tests on a computer anywhere just about any time, the technology needed is off the shelf. By Odin I've done it myself and do it on a continuing basis.
 
I own/operate a flight school with a testing center. I've been with three different companies because of all the mergers.

Each merger or software change is somehow worse than the one before it. We used to be able to help applicants schedule and open slots day of or whenever they wanted. Applicants could cancel/reschedule without a penalty (if we approved it, which most of the time we did), now that is gone. Scheduling is all done through their awful interface and as a center we are not given any training on so we can't even help confused applicants through the process. The books are pretty expensive and you have to have as many copies of each as you do computers for testing (3 in our case, the minimum) so you're spending many hundreds every time there is an update. I can make a maximum of $66 (3 computers) for 3.5 hours of a proctors time.. under $19/hr and that's if all the stations are in use at $22 per test. Not to mention I pay for the computers, the internet, the heating/cooling (and PSI will write you up if an applicant complains about the temperature...), the scratch paper, the pencils.... you get the idea. It simply isn't worth it.

The upside in my case is that with the change there is another local place that can give FAA tests. They don't seem to do them often but they do show up every couple weeks. So I've decided that our testing center will only be opened when one of our students needs an exam. I used to accommodate the general public (drones mostly) but I can't afford to give exams at this rate so it's a choice I've made. I've already gotten a lot of angry phone calls about how someone needs to take an exam in the next couple days but there's nothing I can do, PSI made their choice. It's unfortunately at the cost of the applicants, not of the testing providers. I expect many places will follow.

Are you allowed to charge a facility fee on your own? That is, in addition to the PSI fee, you ask the test taker to pay for the fee that PSI is no longer paying you.
 
This is all so stupid. You could securely give these tests on a computer anywhere just about any time, the technology needed is off the shelf. By Odin I've done it myself and do it on a continuing basis.
Really? How do you ensure a sterile environment?
 
Monopolies; gotta love 'em.
 
Gordon Gekko may have lied to us. I'm starting to understand the complaints about late-stage capitalism.

We ran a CATS center much like Z06 described above -- 10 years ago, and it was unprofitable THEN -- maintained as a convenience for the flight school students. Buying the silly supplement books and dealing with the complaints/inspections was rotten enough when the split was 50/50. This $22 per test is a non-starter and explicitly designed to shut down all the centers.
 
Are you allowed to charge a facility fee on your own? That is, in addition to the PSI fee, you ask the test taker to pay for the fee that PSI is no longer paying you.
Nope, not allowed to have any supplemental fees.

Also if an applicant no-shows you only get half of the exam fee, but the applicant pays the entire fee. So $11 and I can't re-fill the seat because you can't reliably register without 24 hours even if you have it enabled at your center. It's great, so great. /s
 
Nope, not allowed to have any supplemental fees.

Also if an applicant no-shows you only get half of the exam fee, but the applicant pays the entire fee. So $11 and I can't re-fill the seat because you can't reliably register without 24 hours even if you have it enabled at your center. It's great, so great. /s
That’s wrong. Sorry

Gordon Gekko may have lied to us. I'm starting to understand the complaints about late-stage capitalism.

This isn’t capitalism. It’s socialism monopoly.
 
This isn’t capitalism. It’s socialism monopoly.

Is it just a case of vendors A and B merged, and now there is only one? I want to blame the feds for this, but I'm not sure I understand how to do so, or if it's even under their control. I doubt the contracts specified a minimum number of competitors.

I wonder how hard it is to start an FAA testing service. They have to be raking in all sorts of jack with this.
 
Is it just a case of vendors A and B merged, and now there is only one? I want to blame the feds for this, but I'm not sure I understand how to do so, or if it's even under their control. I doubt the contracts specified a minimum number of competitors.

I wonder how hard it is to start an FAA testing service. They have to be raking in all sorts of jack with this.

Nope, the mergers happened before the FAA awarded PSI a 10-year contract in 2018.
 
Nope, the mergers happened before the FAA awarded PSI a 10-year contract in 2018.

Okay, but if there was only one "bid" on the contract, how do we blame FAA? Seems like the winner (PSI?) just bought up any potential competitors?
 
Okay, but if there was only one "bid" on the contract, how do we blame FAA? Seems like the winner (PSI?) just bought up any potential competitors?

Yes we can blame the FAA because they decided that they would only choose a single vendor. There were other bidders. I don't know who they were.
 
follow the money...
 
Really? How do you ensure a sterile environment?
During the pandemic we had to give secure exams remotely. We put our exams on a lockdown internet browser, meaning they couldn't get out of it to look anything up. We then required them to have a camera (usually a phone) and be on Zoom. I made a big deal of how they placed the camera, so that I could see the screen and keyboard. Then we watched. Had they picked up a book or anything else we'd have seen it.

Unsecured we had massive academic misconduct, but once we secured the exams scores went back down to (and quite a bit below) what we had in the classroom. It can be done, and it wasn't even that difficult. It's a bloody multiple choice test. It could be given paper for Odin's sake.
 
Nope, not allowed to have any supplemental fees.

Also if an applicant no-shows you only get half of the exam fee, but the applicant pays the entire fee. So $11 and I can't re-fill the seat because you can't reliably register without 24 hours even if you have it enabled at your center. It's great, so great. /s

Is the ban on supplemental fees included in the PSI contract or is it an FAA requirement?
 
Is the ban on supplemental fees included in the PSI contract or is it an FAA requirement?


I'm not sure, it's just in our materials that it isn't allowed. If it's FAA it's in the contract, and if it's not it's also in the contract.
 
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