Glad to see you on the good side of the force Bob!
Excellent book!
Excellent book![/quote]
I was snooping around for just that reason. I looked at my wholesale source with the idea of including it in resources to have later on for students. But, for now the cheapest source for many items continues to be Skygeek.com. Their prices are barely above my wholesale costs. I've referred many calls there still seeking me out to buy a radio.
Yes, historically, this has been "overlooked," but the FAA is cracking down on this, and has told the DPE's to check for it on practical tests. These days, anyone who shows up for a practical test for a certificate or rating requiring ground training without documentation (logbook or other training record) of an appropriate number of hours of ground training is risking being sent home without being tested, and the instructor who signed the 8710 is likely to get a "let's talk" call from the FSDO.
It might be, or it might not, but that's a matter of how you learn, not FAA legalities. However, if you just "read a few books," your regular instructor is going to have to go over the material with you to confirm you know it, and log the training time spent doing that.
Some of the home study kits will, upon completion, provide you with an instructor endorsement from the kit-maker's "house" instructor. If not, you'll have to get your regular instructor to sign the endorsement, which should require a review of your knowledge with that instructor.
The word "supposed" suggests that it is recommended but not optional; this is not true. The required ground training must be logged, and the FAA is very strongly encouraging DPE's to check for it when giving practical tests.
Most modern student logbooks have a couple of pages in the back for ground training. In any event, you can (if you so choose) log it in the main section just like a flight, but using one of the blank columns and titling it "Ground Training" -- this isn't common, but it's possible. Another method would be to create a separate ground training log that includes all the elements required for logging ground training by 14 CFR 61.51 (date, type of training, subjects covered, and training time) -- I've seen this before, too.
...on a paper or in other form, one would hope, which you can keep and show to the DPE or FAA.
Ron,
I think you're referring to such programs as those by King Schools. Successful completion will get you a certificate which would stand as an endorsement for the written. The endorsement need not be actually in the logbook.
I realize that I should have been clearer. Training itself wouldn't be logged by any instructor, but a certification that an instructor found the student ready to take the knowledge exam would be, though not necessarily in the student's log book. Home study providers (King, Gleim, et al) usually will provide that certification after you provide them evidence that you've taken the sample exams with good results, as you indicate. You then just take that to whomever will be administering the exam.
And I think that CFB's scenario seems quite reasonable.cherokeeflyboy said:
