Private Pilot banned From Airport KCVN
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Grum.Man
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Can you really be banned from a tax payer owned entity? Maybe you should do a relentless amount of missed approaches just to keep them on their toes.
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C Arias
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Here's a link to one of the several stories from our local newspaper on this. One things for sure there's a lot of back story!
http://www.cnjonline.com/2016/10/08/aviation-company-manager-banned-from-airport/
http://www.cnjonline.com/2016/10/08/aviation-company-manager-banned-from-airport/
So he raised concerns about the airport director and that gave them enough grounds to ban? Sounds like another Govt. Affiliate that I can think of...
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So he raised concerns about the airport director and that gave them enough grounds to ban? Sounds like another Govt. Affiliate that I can think of...
Yup
Sounds just like the lady who got "banned"
I'd probably just keep going to work and let them play their loosing hand any way they liked to.
Fearless Tower
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Well, there's one airport I'll cross off my list of fuel stops.
Does the FSDO care much about a student pilot taking an airplane, without permission from his instructor, for a solo flight for business purposes?
So, are you unemployed now?
So, are you unemployed now?
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Snorting his way across the USA
That is my thought.
tawood
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Absolutely, yes. But you most likely would have a good civil suit.
Bad advice...don't turn a civil "win" into a criminal "loss". (Two different outcomes).
Fearless Tower
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Yes and no. There are limits. I don't know anything about NM law, but under federal law, banning someone from a publicly owned airport is a grey area.
tawood
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No "yes and no" about it under state or local law, although it is a common mis-conception...I see this often in court...and I have yet to see someone win a case simply because it was public property (there can be circumstances that they can win in addition to the property being under public ownership, but just being public isn't enough).
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To me, if this guy is telling the truth, and he was banned for calling the mayor out for making a very illegal flight out of the airport and maybe even the FBO he works out of, for official business no less, he's done nothing wrong.
I'd just document everything, and make contact with a lawyer, no doubt there are a few who would love to take something like this on under contingency.
I'd still go to work and live my life as I was, way I see it the idiot mayor ether goes back into his hole and forgets about it, or the OP gets a trespass ticket, or even better spends a night in jail (all of which would be tossed out anyway) and that makes the case all that more of a slam dunk and damning against the mayor/town and the OPs damages larger.
Seems like the mayor/town can ether let this man live his life and go to work, or they'll end up paying for his early retirement, win win
tawood
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If he is band from his livelihood without just cause, he would have a good civil suit.
But to assume the trespass would be "thrown out", because civilly the case is unjust, is not smart.
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Not going to work and not paying your bills is not smart.
Letting half wit bullies push you around isn't smart.
Flying a X/c without your CFIs knowledge as a student pilot, for official city business, isn't smart
Illegally preventing someone from doing their job isn't smart.
Reporting illegal activity as the airport you work at, that's your job
tawood
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If I've seen this once, I bet I've seen this a hundred times (and by "seen", I mean I've been directly, professionally involved).
People with an excellent civil suit, decide that they can make it better by also violating criminal law, like trespass...I have yet to see it work out in their favor, regardless of the civil suit grounds. But who knows, maybe this time, it will be the exception!
People with an excellent civil suit, decide that they can make it better by also violating criminal law, like trespass...I have yet to see it work out in their favor, regardless of the civil suit grounds. But who knows, maybe this time, it will be the exception!
tawood
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Which only builds his civil suit if he has been "wronged".
tawood
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And if he goes and gets arrested, and is convicted...this helps him how?
mscard88
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One of what? A disguise to get into the airport? Why yes, yes I do. No one even notices either.
Brad Z
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From the sound of the article, it doesn't appear that the city is fully aware of their obligations in regards to FAA grant assurance #22, Economic Nondiscrimination.
Gotta love small town politics (not really).
Brad Z
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Not unless you hire the attorney on retainer. There's no way AOPA is going to get involved with a situation like this unless it becomes high profile. It's just too expensive and there's no way AOPA has the resources to investigate the OPs claim. That's the FAA's job.
Brad Z
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Flight standards district offices (FSDOs) don't get involved in airport access issues. That's the job of compliance specialists at FAA Airport District Offices. It's a totally different part of the organization.
Acrodustertoo
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I know who those *******s are voting for
Sorry for what you have to go through. Time to Go to the mattresses
Sorry for what you have to go through. Time to Go to the mattresses
paflyer
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Without due process? I'd make them arrest me.
DaleB
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They're funny that way.
paflyer
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Well of course he did. Tell him to meet you at the slam, bring the media with you and make an event out of it.
Brad Z
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Except the news crew would yawn. The airport ain't exactly an acient Indian burial ground.
paflyer
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Don't know unless you try.
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Geek on the Hill
Not necessarily. There's a bit of a political scandal involved; so it depends on how sleepy the rest of the news is and how devotedly the local politicians have whored themselves to the local media. But yeah, it's a long shot.
Rich
The city doesn't worry about being sued,it's not their money .you however will have to spend time and your money on a lawyer to challenge the case. City government is not always easy to defeat.egos are at stake.
mtuomi
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Which makes beating them so much more satisfying in a seemingly obvious case such as this one.
ChemGuy
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Sorry for what you have to go through. Time to Go to the mattresses
I'm with this guy. Time to warm up the Lousiville Slugger and split a few skulls.
Acrodustertoo
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Dead men cannot ban you.....am i right or am i right!
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Geek on the Hill
True in general, but many jurisdictions prohibit defending or indemnifying public officials against punitive damages. Where that's the case, suits seeking punitive damages tend to get more attention from even the scummiest of scumbag politicians. When it's their own coin on the line rather than the taxpayers', they start actually giving a ****.
Last I heard, malice was one of the grounds for punitive damages.
Rich
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What is you're employer doing about this?