Pilots Bill of Rights

Not sure how it helps many people. Any new or aspiring pilots who have any issues like have taken ADD medicine as a kid or anything similar will still have all the same problems as before. Unless I understand incorrectly. Yes it will help some who have had the 3rd class in the past. It wont help bring more new pilots into the field.
 
It sounds like it might make it a little more worth going through a rather expensive SI if you only have to do it once, instead of every couple years...
 
If passed, I'll bet it brings quite a few pilots back into active status.
 
MajorTurbulence said:
If passed, I'll bet it brings quite a few pilots back into active status.
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Only if they've had a valid medical in the last 10 years. On top of that there will be a questionnaire needed to be signed by yourself and a physician ever 4 years.
 
OkieAviator said:
Only if they've had a valid medical in the last 10 years. On top of that there will be a questionnaire needed to be signed by yourself and a physician ever 4 years.
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Had anybody got a link to the amendment that doesn't show up anywhere but everybody is taking about that references this?
 
True enough, but I doubt many of those pilots have nothing but SS.
 
Not sure how many pilots it will bring back some of the pilots are flying light sport.
 
It'll bring some back for sure, but I doubt anybody will notice. It'll have more of an impact in the future as pilots now don't have to worry as much as losing their 3rd class and having to stop flying or go light sport.
 
petrolero said:
True enough, but I doubt many of those pilots have nothing but SS.
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How many of them that lost their medical ended up dying as a result of the underlying condition? This is just so weak, it won't have much of an affect at all, and the voices that were loudest in the whole issue, the voices of people who would be flying many years, were completely shut out. So I count this as a complete failure of AOPA to meet their objectives.
 
JB1842 said:
It'll bring some back for sure, but I doubt anybody will notice. It'll have more of an impact in the future as pilots now don't have to worry as much as losing their 3rd class and having to stop flying or go light sport.
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Makes it nice for current pilots to make new investment in planes and ratings if they have confidence they won't lose a medical next 23 months


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Henning said:
I doubt it, tough to afford flying on a Social Security check.
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It would help me and I'm not on social security. Currently not flying because I'm trying to get some issues in order and it's a way big hassle to get the FAA to agree that I'm perfectly fit to fly.

My current stopper is an unapproved medicine. It's a class and type of medicine which IS approved, but not this specific formulation. The only reason is because they just haven't looked at it yet. Once they do, they will approve it because it doesn't have any of the side effects they're concerned about. But until then, or until I get this under control so that I don't need medicine...flying is out again.

Third item in a row that has kept me down. I'm going to have a challenge to report them all accurately and to redo all the testing to prove that I'm really ok.

I've spent more time in the past 5 years proving the absence of disqualifying conditions that I have actually flying.
 
I for one would welcome it in the current form, though it's quite watered down from the original.

And of course, we get to wait another year while the FAA drags its feet.
 
A comment below the article brought up a good point.

Since the FAA now will only have one shot at keeping "unhealthy" pilots out of the skies, will it decide to tighten up standards for the 3rd class?
 
"Under the bill, the FAA will have a year from the date the legislation becomes law to produce a final rule reflecting the legislation’s provisions. If the final rule is not ready within one year of the bill’s enactment, pilots will be allowed to fly under the guidelines set out in the legislation without facing FAA enforcement action."

Is that sort of provision common in legislation or is someone tired of having the FAA stalling on implementing rules?
 
They're tired of the FAA stalling... For example - Part 23 rewrite.
 
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"Under the bill, the FAA will have a year from the date the legislation becomes law to produce a final rule reflecting the legislation’s provisions. If the final rule is not ready within one year of the bill’s enactment, pilots will be allowed to fly under the guidelines set out in the legislation without facing FAA enforcement action."

Is that sort of provision common in legislation or is someone tired of having the FAA stalling on implementing rules?
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Prevent stalling by the FAA. If it was a common provision, our country would be run much more effectively than it is now.
 
petrolero said:
True enough, but I doubt many of those pilots have nothing but SS.
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Especially is they didn't [otherwise] **** away the money they "saved" by not flying in the interim.
 
Sadly I still don't think it will help the industry very much.
 
Henning said:
I doubt it, tough to afford flying on a Social Security check.
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As someone who has had a special issuance since age 47 (20 years ago), it might not be that they are on Social Security.
 
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kiddbats said:
Sadly I still don't think it will help the industry very much.
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It may not help the industry, but all of those planes claimed to make light sport aviation an "entry level" proposition will lose some market share(probably not significant) to Cessna 150s, Cherokee 140s, Beech Skippers, etc. You no longer have to own a six figure light sport plane. Now you can get the same performance from a $15k 40 year old PPL entry level plane.
 
MajorTurbulence said:
As someone who has had a special issuance since age 47 (20 years ago), it might not be that they are on Social Security.
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I understand that there will be a handful of people it truly benefits, but it should have been much more.
 
Henning said:
I understand that there will be a handful of people it truly benefits, but it should have been much more.
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That's our Congress! Always right there to represent the smallest possible group of people.
 
Henning said:
I understand that there will be a handful of people it truly benefits, but it should have been much more.
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A handful, hundreds, or thousands? It will help me, and judging by the backlogs ( now much better) at CAMI over the last few years waiting for the paperwork review, I bet the latter. I think this is underscored by the intense interest about this impending legislation.
 
MajorTurbulence said:
A handful, hundreds, or thousands? It will help me, and judging by the backlogs ( now much better) at CAMI over the last few years waiting for the paperwork review, I bet the latter. I think this is underscored by the intense interest about this impending legislation.
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It would help me, I'd be back in the air in a flash.
 
Henning said:
How many of them that lost their medical ended up dying as a result of the underlying condition? This is just so weak, it won't have much of an affect at all, and the voices that were loudest in the whole issue, the voices of people who would be flying many years, were completely shut out. So I count this as a complete failure of AOPA to meet their objectives.
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They did not give anybody anything. What a waste of time. They just should have dropped it. This bill did nothing to bring new pilots aboard. NOTHING.

Tony
 
MajorTurbulence said:
A handful, hundreds, or thousands? It will help me, and judging by the backlogs ( now much better) at CAMI over the last few years waiting for the paperwork review, I bet the latter. I think this is underscored by the intense interest about this impending legislation.
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I would say hundreds. The 10 year grace and doctors blessing are still going to cut a considerable factor. The cost of aviation still is no different nor are family pressures, "You're not really going to start dying again, I thought that was over. Well we're not owning another plane, that was way too expensive." People don't want to/can't change their life insurance...

Bringing back aged pilots who want to fly again is fine, I have no objects and I'm glad Nick will get to fly again, I really am, and I hope he can afford both flying and his track car.

I gave an earlier estimate of 500 flight hours across GA annually. First year may double that because people go to go, and then they remember, "Oh yeah, the real reason I quit flying was it wasn't very useful". So you have those affected that end up stabilizing on a birthday flight, making up around 500 hours a year.

What it fails to do is let anyone new in the door, and that doesn't help.
 
I almost certainly will keep my Sky Arrow, as it suits my mission well.

But I'd love to be able to, on occasion, rent or borrow a 4-seater. Or a Citabria for some tailwheel fun.

Might even consider a partnership or club interest in something like a cherry Tiger.

I think all pilots currently operating under Light Sport restrictions sans medical would benefit from increased options. Plus there's a whole class of pilots sick of the game of "Medical Roulette" they are forced to play on a regular basis, and the "Sword of Damocles" feeling of dread it entails.
 
1600vw said:
This bill did nothing to bring new pilots aboard.
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Unless they're able to think ahead a few years, in which case they may take into account that they're less likely with PBoR2 to have their flying privileges revoked in the future (or less likely to face an arduous process to persuade the FAA's aeromedical folks to let them continue).

As for existing pilots, I've always passed my AME exams, but I would still feel relieved to not have them anymore. I suspect that's true of most private pilots.
 
It would help me big-time. I don't need an SI for my gout, but the hoops I have to jump through sure seem like one.
 
Over the next few years, you will see a dramatic reduction in the number of active pilots. (Assuming this bill actually passes.)



(The FAA counts medical certificates to determine the number of "active" pilots.)
 
It will eventually help me as well, but that's not the point. The point is in the end it will not change the future viability and growth of GA, it lacks that mechanism to create those numbers. If AOPA had the political clout it says, this would not have happened. Perhaps they should have opened that 'war chest' and spent a few of those dollars. Same crap with SP/LSA, bull**** limitations written in.
 
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That's right. They beg over and over for our money to further the cause and then they hoard it, and pay themselves big salaries. They should be spending it to get its membership what they want.

It is, after all, OUR money they're playing with.
 
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