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Greg Bockelman
That is my guess but he needs more training on his PA announcements.
I have confirmed that JAC is a supervised-entry airport for Skywest, as it is at my airline.I suspect he was a high minimums CA and the weather went down.
They could also have been high mins, and the weather was worse than forecast.
Since the weather was clear and a million, I don't think it's analogous to something that "could happen anywhere with a high mins CA."This would be my guess too. Some of you all are going down a really deep rabbit hole just because it is a "special airport". This could happen anywhere with a high mins CA.
Believe you are correct about Eagle (Vail).Aspen and Jackson Hole come to mind. I also believe Vail requires it.
It depends on the airport. KASE, gotta fly it to qual. The wide open valley stuff I think they just have to look at the pictures but that may just be a currency thing. KASE they gotta fly it to qual and be current. Anyway Skywest crew support tracks KASE qual'd pilots daily. Other mountain airports they aren't so vocal about. KSUN is a bit sensitive for equipment along with KGUC. KMTJ just a hop away from GUC is a yawner...as long as CFR is on duty. Anyway, the dispatcher doesn't track crew quals, that's on the pilot and crew support.Um I am an APD at a part 121 airline and NOPE. It doesn't! Unless Skywest developed what we would call a red line
Since the weather was clear and a million, I don't think it's analogous to something that "could happen anywhere with a high mins CA."
Dumb mix-up yes, unbelievable no. It's not like we always know in advance where we're going. "Hello Captain, this is crew scheduling, we need you to operate flight XXX. By the way, it was supposed to leave an hour ago so we'd appreciate it if you hurry on to gate 25."Well if that was the case, this would seem to be a pretty dumb mix up. Almost too dumb to believe, and by that, I mean I question the veracity of the story. They mean to tell us that these guys took off to a destination that they would have been illegal for, and just happened to pop open the 10-7 en route and figure it out? I dunno, I suppose it is possible, but seems highly unlikely. Maybe OO is more bananas than I think though.
I haven't seen a more current list on the FAA site. This is from 2015.
Dumb mix-up yes, unbelievable no. It's not like we always know in advance where we're going. "Hello Captain, this is crew scheduling, we need you to operate flight XXX. By the way, it was supposed to leave an hour ago so we'd appreciate it if you hurry on to gate 25."
That sort of supports those who think it might have been a weather-related qualification.As hard as this is to find, I'm surprised that a pilot found out in flight there were special quals...that is, I'm surprised he could find out at all.
CA and FO have mountain airport guides on their ipads. Those are maintained so mostly current and accurate. In other words it's not too difficult for the crew to dig up the info.As hard as this is to find, I'm surprised that a pilot found out in flight there were special quals...that is, I'm surprised he could find out at all.
Correct, just making the point that mistakes are made.8-year-old story...
every day and from all sides....it seems to be a human conditionCorrect, just making the point that mistakes are made.
And the airline didn’t even have to self-disclose a violation and increase their training/checking paperwork to show they care.I'd rather read about a Captain that said, "No" and killed no one than a Captain that said, "we'll try" and killed people. This seems like a no-harm no-foul. No one was hurt.