PIC Logging Question

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Please excuse me if this is a dumb question...

My CFI (decades ago) logged all my training time as Pilot in Command time. However, someone told me today that it's really not Pilot in Command until...you're a pilot. Makes sense. He said I could put the hours in Total time but not PIC.

Was my CFI wrong? Do I need to go back and scratch out the logbook (what a mess)? Did this rule maybe change after I got my PPL?
 
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Thanks! At least it is a bit complicated so I don't feel quite so bad. My logbook is going to be a mess. Wonder why CFI didn't know this. Also, since it was 1973, I wonder if the rules changed.
 
VWGhiaBob said:
Thanks! At least it is a bit complicated so I don't feel quite so bad. My logbook is going to be a mess. Wonder why CFI didn't know this. Also, since it was 1973, I wonder if the rules changed.
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Instead of messing up your logbook, just do a "negative" hours entry in your PIC time now, with a notation that those hours shouldn't have been logged that way back when. That way the feds will be happy that you're not trying to report incorrect totals, as your totals will then be right, without making things really messy.
 
VWGhiaBob said:
Thanks! At least it is a bit complicated so I don't feel quite so bad. My logbook is going to be a mess. Wonder why CFI didn't know this. Also, since it was 1973, I wonder if the rules changed.
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AFAIK the only rule that changed is, before 1997, a soloing student could not log PIC time at all.
 
Great idea, Jeff! Thank you.
 
VWGhiaBob said:
Please excuse me if this is a dumb question...

My CFI (decades ago) logged all my training time as Pilot in Command time. However, someone told me today that it's really not Pilot in Command until...you're a pilot. Makes sense. He said I could put the hours in Total time but not PIC.

Was my CFI wrong? Do I need to go back and scratch out the logbook (what a mess)? Did this rule maybe change after I got my PPL?
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As a student pilot, you cannot now, nor could you ever count the dual instruction received as PIC time.

On August 4, 1997, part 61 was rewritten to allow solo time to be loggable as PIC time. This change was to fill a hole in which a person was acting as P-I-C, the sole manipulator of the flight controls, but was not able to log the time as PIC.

I finished my PP in 1994. After the change, I added the PIC time to my logbook with a note explaining the circumstances. This generally won't raise eyebrows, as folks who've been around a while are aware of the change.
 
VWGhiaBob said:
Also, since it was 1973, I wonder if the rules changed.
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The rules about logging PIC changed have changed some since then, but not in this regard -- you were never able to log PIC time as a Student Pilot receiving training from an instructor. However, back then, pre-PP solo time was logged as "solo", but not PIC. The FAA clarified that when they rewrote that part of the rules and said all pre-PP solo time counted as PIC time even if it was logged only as "solo" back then.
 
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