Philadelphia Crash

Looking at the video that was apparently shot with a potato....I can't make heads or tails on what it was. Not even sure it was a plane.
 
Looks like it came in at a high rate of speed and at a steep angle. Videos show a huge fireball. If I didn't know better I would say it looks like a missile strike.
 
Looks like that registration is operated by Med Jets. News is saying that it was a medical flight with a patient on board.
 
I see a ton of pireps up in that area. no idea if any relate to this incident.
 
From LiveATC, aircraft (Medservice 056) receives runway 24 takeoff clearance, wind 250/10, turn right 290. Due to LiveATC limitations, can’t hear aircraft radio transmissions while on ground. Tower issues takeoff clearance twice (unclear why).

Weather is 6 mi, 400 OVC.

Tower instructs aircraft to contact departure (123.8), which aircraft is heard acknowledging with no indication of emergency by tone of accented voice.

Few minutes elapse. Tower repeats instruction (at least twice) for aircraft to contact departure with no response.

On departure frequency (123.8), departure calls for aircraft 3 times with no response.
 
My old stomping grounds. Grew up a few blocks from Roosevelt Mall. Learned to fly in 1981 at KPNE.
 
Dang, a long, long time ago I grew up on Cottman Avenue only a few (maybe 8-10) blocks from there.
 
From what little I've seen, looks like a stall unless they had some mechanical issues. Seeing the videos of the the response, rain and such, could it have been icing?
 
From one video, it looks like the aircraft rotated a quarter turn or more right before impact, so I would think someone was still trying to fly it. Lear Jets don't deal with stalls well.
 
Den60 said:
From one video, it looks like the aircraft rotated a quarter turn or more right before impact, so I would think someone was still trying to fly it. Lear Jets don't deal with stalls well.
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Any other thoughts from the peanut gallery?
 
Den60 said:
From what little I've seen, looks like a stall unless they had some mechanical issues. Seeing the videos of the the response, rain and such, could it have been icing?
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Unlikely given that KPNE temp/dewpoint reported as 09/09 (C)
 
AquaLand said:
Unlikely given that KPNE temp/dewpoint reported as 09/09 (C)
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I'm talking about icing before takeoff. How long did the aircraft sit before being used again? Yes, just throwing out spit balls. The crew was from Mexico, so likely don't normally look for that on an aircraft before takeoff. Either that, of did they not configure the aircraft properly on takeoff? Again, more spitballs.
 
Thinking control system failure of some sort. Flames from catastrophic engine failure. >>> upon further review, I think most of the flame idea comes from the landing lights and clouds.
 
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The guys the media grab for these things are just, well…. They got one on that says, I don’t want to speculate, but then starts talking about a difficult transition from visual to instruments at night and spatial disorientation and loosing control.
 
Den60 said:
I'm talking about icing before takeoff. How long did the aircraft sit before being used again? Yes, just throwing out spit balls. The crew was from Mexico, so likely don't normally look for that on an aircraft before takeoff. Either that, of did they not configure the aircraft properly on takeoff? Again, more spitballs.
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Aircraft was on the ground at KPNE for about 4 hours prior to the accident departure. Temps were well above freezing during that time.
 
The Ring camera footage below looks like it was on fire immediately after pitching towards the ground. (58 second mark)

 
Before one says flames, note that the landing lights, clouds and slow shutter speeds can make things look like flames. Also reflections of the city lights below on the plane. I see no smoke or flame trail evident on the video, which admittedly isn't detailed enough to make a sure guess.
 
MidwestBob1389 said:
That is tragic... especially being a medical.. :(
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Essentially the worst thing you can imagine:
"Newly confirmed Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy said there were six people aboard the plane. According to a statement from Jet Rescue Air Ambulance, the six included four crew members, a pediatric patient, and the patient's escort.
The pediatric patient was a girl from Mexico who had received treatment at Shriners Children's Hospital Philadelphia, according to Mel Bower, a spokesperson for the hospital. Her treatment had ended and she was on her way home when the plane crashed."
 
skyking3286 said:
Before one says flames, note that the landing lights, clouds and slow shutter speeds can make things look like flames. Also reflections of the city lights below on the plane. I see no smoke or flame trail evident on the video, which admittedly isn't detailed enough to make a sure guess.
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I've seen three views, wouldn't say flames at all.
 
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