Pacer Experimental? Can he do that?

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jsstevens said:
See the following add on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Expe...s_Aircraft&hash=item2eb7195a69#ht_2083wt_1167

So I thought if you started with a certificated airframe, you could take it experimental for a while (to try something new) but were required to take it back. How is this plane legal? It's got a pacer fuselage (and tailplane from the pics) and C-150 wings.

John
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Yes he can do that,,,,,,,,, But,,,,,, it isn't a pacer any more it is a home built.

there is a block on the form that says "built from aircraft parts".

not often used, but it is there.
 
Interesting. I did not know that.

That is an interesting looking airplane as well. Not this year. Sigh.

John
 
jsstevens said:
Interesting. I did not know that.

That is an interesting looking airplane as well. Not this year. Sigh.

John
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Its the block they check when they build a volmer sports, It uses aronca wings
 
Tom-D said:
Yes he can do that,,,,,,,,, But,,,,,, it isn't a pacer any more it is a home built.

there is a block on the form that says "built from aircraft parts".

not often used, but it is there.
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How many parts do I have to take off a certified aircraft to check that box and change the Comanche to experimental?
 
jsstevens said:
See the following add on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Expe...s_Aircraft&hash=item2eb7195a69#ht_2083wt_1167

So I thought if you started with a certificated airframe, you could take it experimental for a while (to try something new) but were required to take it back. How is this plane legal? It's got a pacer fuselage (and tailplane from the pics) and C-150 wings.
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Depends on how compliant your FSDO is. Experience around here is that new wings didn't justify Experimental/Amateur-Built certification, but other FDSOs have been more accommodating. I met a guy with a Cessna 150 in the Experimental/Amateur-Built category, but he declined to describe the process he used to get the certification.

I heard the FAA started clamping down on this after that "Experimental" SeaBee made the cover of EAA Sport Aviation magazine.

I don't expect the FAA would try to rescind the certification of the Pacer or similar aircraft that are already licensed.

Ron Wanttaja
 
wanttaja said:
I don't expect the FAA would try to rescind the certification of the Pacer or similar aircraft that are already licensed.

Ron Wanttaja
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There are tons of formerly-certificated aircraft flying around these parts as experimental which are mostly original. A legacy of a much more permissive atmosphere. I'd wager few if any would be approved today, but existing ones still have the special airworthiness certificate.
 
wanttaja said:
Depends on how compliant your FSDO is.
Ron Wanttaja
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The current direction from OKC is to require a full blown STC process. because now the Airworthiness inspectors are not allowed to approve major design changes. Although any modification is a major modification, there is a line they won't cross.

the STC process is under the manufacturing side of FSDO not airworthiness.

I wonder how old that modification is, because there was a time that FSDO inspectors could approve modifications such as this and that 337 became approved data and can be used on any aircraft of the that make and model.

IOWs multiple aircraft could use the same data.
 
That's a nice looking machine. Except I don't how he used zip ties, especially on the engine mounting. And that sure is a unique mount for the wet compass.
 
The pacer empty weight is around 800 pounds, with 180 horse it must jump off the ground.
 
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