OBL Raid Helo

Rotor&Wing said:
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My favorite facebook post on the whole thing so far... And this one is real, these guys are my friends:

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Gary F said:
I am sure that the Chinese will be given the opportunity to closely examine the wreckage before it is returned to us. Then we will be able to buy reverse engineered Low Observable Blackhawks from them. The toy model will be at Wal Mart in a week or two.
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I hate being right all of the time.

The U.S. has already asked the Pakistanis for the helicopter wreckage back, but one Pakistani official told ABC News the Chinese were also "very interested" in seeing the remains. Another official said, "We might let them [the Chinese] take a look."

A U.S. official said he did not know if the Pakistanis had offered a peek to the Chinese, but said he would be "shocked" if the Chinese hadn't already been given access to the damaged aircraft.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/osama-bin-laden-raid-pakistan-hints-china-peak/story?id=13570573
 
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weilke said:
... (Bin Ladin wasn't 'caught and killed'. He was simply 'killed')
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If we're going to argue over whether he was "caught and killed" we have to argue:
A ) distinctions regarding the definition of the term "to catch"
B ) whether "A and B" implies "A then B" chronologically

Regardless of which side you come down on in the above questions, I think we could all agree, at least, that he was "killed and caught".
-harry
 
mantakos said:
If we're going to argue over whether he was "caught and killed" we have to argue:
A ) distinctions regarding the definition of the term "to catch"
B ) whether "A and B" implies "A then B" chronologically
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You go fishing with
- a hook and line & reel
- a spear/harpoon/.22
- a stick of dynamite

How is the sequence of 'catch' and 'kill' different based on the implements used ?

I can tell you the narrative that is being promoted outside of the US as we speak: The CIA operative Bin Laden was captured by his masters in Langley and executed in order to silence him so he would not give up the great conspiracy involving Goldman Sachs, the Bilderbergs George W Bush and world zionism.

The slanted captions attached to popular images of the OBL raid serve to promote that narrative. These days it doesn't matter what happened, it matters what comes up on #1 in a google search on 'google arabic'.
 
weilke said:
More of a 'kill, catch & release'. Slightly unsportsmanlike behaviour :)
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You're absolutely right, I completely forgot about the release. Seems less like fishing and more like a waste of bait.

But now I have to consider whether a harpoon kills first, catches first, or does both simultaneously.
-harry
 
weilke said:
More of a 'kill, catch & release'. Slightly unsportsmanlike behavior :)
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I don't see ANY unsportsmanlike behavior at all. I'll guarantee you I'm not gonna lose any sleep over the circumstances of his "untimely" demise. The world is a better place and I don't care how the "Great Unwashed" spin it.
 
Art VanDelay said:
I don't see ANY unsportsmanlike behavior at all. I'll guarantee you I'm not gonna lose any sleep over the circumstances of his "untimely" demise.
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Did I say that I disagree with it ?

We were talking about fishing, sheesh.
 
Gary F said:
As long as they wanted. The Pakistanis are real good friends with the Chinese.
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Well, yeah. I'll bet we paid some pretty healthy ransom for something that's not even worth recovering anymore. Once it left our control, it's pretty much worthless now.
 
Matthew said:
Well, yeah. I'll bet we paid some pretty healthy ransom for something that's not even worth recovering anymore. Once it left our control, it's pretty much worthless now.
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Not necessarily. I'd be more concerned that other people could reverse engineer it and use it themselves. However, the technology itself is still useful.
 
Gary F said:
I am sure that the Chinese will be given the opportunity to closely examine the wreckage before it is returned to us. Then we will be able to buy reverse engineered Low Observable Blackhawks from them. The toy model will be at Wal Mart in a week or two.
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OK, so I was off a few weeks.

A popular Chinese toy company is taking the secret weapon in the deadly U.S. raid on Usama bin Laden's Pakistan compound and turning it into kid's play – offering a scale model
 
ScottM said:
There were more than two helos. There were a couple Chinooks with back up teams and yes I bet we had assets on the ground. The details of this mission may never be publicly known.
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The movie is already in the works, that should get us the truth.:rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
ScottM said:
There were more than two helos. There were a couple Chinooks with back up teams and yes I bet we had assets on the ground. The details of this mission may never be publicly known.
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Where does this stuff come from anyway? "Assets" on the ground? When I was doing that kinda thing, (you know, in the military.) we called them people, not assets. Does it come from Hollywood, does the military come up with it, perhaps from a James Bond type book?

Cool speak I guess. Anyone know?

John
 
John Baker said:
Where does this stuff come from anyway? "Assets" on the ground? When I was doing that kinda thing, (you know, in the military.) we called them people, not assets. Does it come from Hollywood, does the military come up with it, perhaps from a James Bond type book?

Cool speak I guess. Anyone know?

John
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Business speak. You're either an asset or a liability. The former has the required skills to get the job done, the latter gets RIF'd. Management all over likes to sound kewl so they make up new terms all the time. If it catches on, they're the heroes. It only really bugs me when people removed from the situation (like OBAMA) use the phrase. (Yeah Dude, I'm kewl. (View of Gene Wilder in Silver Streak!)
 
Gary F said:
It's official. The Chinese got to examine the special Blackhawk. Now maybe they will sell them to us real cheap.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/09700746-c681-11e0-bb50-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1V06kvpzA
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Here is a link to the Reuters report, which does not require a subscription like the one Gary posted.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/14/us-pakistan-china-usa-idUSTRE77D2BT20110814

Rueters is also not entirelly sure that this was actually done.

The disclosure, if confirmed, is likely to further shake the U.S.-Pakistan relationship
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I think the best way to say this is that it is highly probable from the information received that the Chinese saw this helo.
 
Gary F said:
I am sure that the Chinese will be given the opportunity to closely examine the wreckage before it is returned to us. Then we will be able to buy reverse engineered Low Observable Blackhawks from them. The toy model will be at Wal Mart in a week or two.
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I guess you did predict the future. Good call although it wasn't too hard to predict huh! Our friends the Pakistanis.:mad:
 
AdamZ said:
I guess you did predict the future. Good call although it wasn't too hard to predict huh! Our friends the Pakistanis.:mad:
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That's also the risk that you run by operating top secret equipment outside your borders, and especially in hostile territory. I don't think it should be much of a surprise that a country in the Middle East would auction off things that we left there to the highest bidder.
 
Ted DuPuis said:
That's also the risk that you run by operating top secret equipment outside your borders, and especially in hostile territory. I don't think it should be much of a surprise that a country in the Middle East would auction off things that we left there to the highest bidder.
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Just an FYI the USA was a major buyer of USSR equipment, secret and otherwise that ended up in the ME and other countries. There is a whole division in the military called the Foreign Technology Division, that works with captured and purchased foreign gear. One of the more famous aquistions was the MIG 25 that we got from Japan when the pilot who flew it defected with it in the 1970s
 
ScottM said:
Just an FYI the USA was a major buyer of USSR equipment, secret and otherwise that ended up in the ME and other countries. There is a whole division in the military called the Foreign Technology Division, that works with captured and purchased foreign gear. One of the more famous aquistions was the MIG 25 that we got from Japan when the pilot who flew it defected with it in the 1970s
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Yeah, that was an eye opener. There was no finesse or longevity to that plane, but they got it to go fast. Never made it to par with the SR-71, and never had to go against the Valkyrie. Crude machine, but it could burn enough fuel to make a mission happen.
 
John Baker said:
Where does this stuff come from anyway? "Assets" on the ground? When I was doing that kinda thing, (you know, in the military.) we called them people, not assets. Does it come from Hollywood, does the military come up with it, perhaps from a James Bond type book?

Cool speak I guess. Anyone know?
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It's this year's jargon from the guys who started calling a soldier a troop in Viet Nam. They'll never call that one back.

We just lost over 30 "troops" on that helicopter in Afghanistan.

http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/portraits-of-troops-killed-in-crash_2011-08-12.html
 
ScottM said:
Just an FYI the USA was a major buyer of USSR equipment, secret and otherwise that ended up in the ME and other countries. There is a whole division in the military called the Foreign Technology Division, that works with captured and purchased foreign gear. One of the more famous aquistions was the MIG 25 that we got from Japan when the pilot who flew it defected with it in the 1970s
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That was my point. It's normal for other countries to want to find out about and steal (as appropriate) technology from other countries. So this is pretty much par for the course. Concerning, sure, but to be expected.
 
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