Obesity has become a global issue

[LDJones]

Man, what else do you drink? I've already gone from diet Pepsi to caffeine-free diet Pepsi. Then I've limited DP to one or two per day, and gone to diet Snapple lemon tea.

I bring a quart Nalgene bottle of water to work every day, but that's all I can bear to drink of that stuff.

Unless that "stuff" is frozen and surrounded by gin. Then I like that stuff.

I hear you....but it's the sad reality! Water works best.

 

[Jay Honeck]

I hear you....but it's the sad reality! Water works best.

Here on the island it's important to stay hydrated. (I've found out the hard way what happens when you work outside for a few hours in July with insufficient fluid intake.)

This means lots of water, supplemented by the Sodastream machine's output (I like their Diet Cream soda) -- and, of course, Texas' own Shiner Bock beer.

I could stand to lose 15 pounds. But that would mean no more Shiner, and that is unacceptable.

 

[RJM62]

^^^^ This. Occasional whole-grain bread is usually OK, white bread is not. By occasional, I mean "no more than a couple of times a week".

I can't lose weight when I drink diet soda. Aside from the chemicals, the sweetness triggers some kind of weight-gain response.

I eat home-baked, whole-grain bread several times a week, but in very small amounts per serving and per day. That means one English muffin. I usually make English muffins because I can bake up a whole bunch of them and freeze them, then thaw and toast them as needed.

As for the soda, I'll occasionally drink it if it's sweetened with stevia, but not with anything else. Aspartame tastes horrid, and I don't like the look of the molecular structure of Sucralose. It reminds me too much of other oganochlorine compounds like chlordane, lindane, heptachlor, DDT, agent orange, carbon tet, etc. I won't touch the stuff, and I really don't give a rat's ass that the FDA approved it.

-Rich

 

[Lawreston]

Well, dayamm! All this talk about food -- I'll be out of here to pick up a friend. Hidden in the trees(as is the highway in Harpswell[Great Island section]) is a fine little restaurant adjacent to Great Island Boat. That's where I bought my Luders sailboat when the operation was known as Wallace Marina and Boat Yard.
The little restaurant has lobster rolls -- 2 for $20.00 -- best price in the area.

HR

 

[JOhnH]

Well, dayamm! All this talk about food -- I'll be out of here to pick up a friend. Hidden in the trees(as is the highway in Harpswell[Great Island section]) is a fine little restaurant adjacent to Great Island Boat. That's where I bought my Luders sailboat when the operation was known as Wallace Marina and Boat Yard.
The little restaurant has lobster rolls -- 2 for $20.00 -- best price in the area.

HR

I wouldn't care if Lobster rolls were downright poisonous. I love those things. But you can't get a good lobster roll in Florida. We have all the ingredients, except for the roll and the lobster.

 

[Terry]

The only photos they have are "Satellite Photos."
When they go to a theatre, they sit next to everybody.
When they get out of the water, the tide recedes.

Now, I am thinking about food and am going to raid the refrigerator, come back and sit in my recliner, with my lap pad, and stuff myself with cookies and milk.

When I took my check ride for my PPL, between the Examiner, myself, and full tanks, we were overweight for the Tomahawk.

Terry

 

[OkieFlyer]

When I took my check ride for my PPL, between the Examiner, myself, and full tanks, we were overweight for the Tomahawk.

Terry

I had to do all my dual training in a 172 because we were too heavy for the 150s. It was an extra $30 per hour, but way more comfy.

 

[FastEddieB]

When I took my check ride for my PPL, between the Examiner, myself, and full tanks, we were overweight for the Tomahawk.

And he let you fly?

If so, I'm surprised.

1) An accident, for any reason, could have put his credentials in jeopardy.

2) Sends a poor message to the applicant, that Limitations are flexible.

If I misunderstood and you offloaded fuel, then never mind.

 

[SCCutler]

I flew with a DPE who was well-fed (not really huge, per se, but he was extremely broad in the back side).

Great guy, tough but fair, and taught me a few things. I flew mine in the 172.

Compadre took checkride about the same time, same DPE, but he was in a Warrior. Trim wheel on floor between seats.

Could. Not. Get. To. Trim.

Flew ride without trim, did ok.

 

[Terry]

And he let you fly?

If so, I'm surprised.

1) An accident, for any reason, could have put his credentials in jeopardy.

2) Sends a poor message to the applicant, that Limitations are flexible.

If I misunderstood and you offloaded fuel, then never mind.

In reality, I fueled up in Hays, Kansas, and flew to Salina, Kansas. That was a 1 hour flight and enough fuel burn to just barely get under the weight limit. Had I topped off the tanks in Salina, we would have been overweight.

The point I was making was a "light hearted" attempt to be funny. (Sheesh)

 

[Norman]

Turf and surf sounds good for dinner tonight.

 

[FastEddieB]

The point I was making was a "light hearted" attempt to be funny. (Sheesh)

Sorry, I missed that.

 

[Terry]

Sorry, I missed that.

No problem, sorry I was so touchy.

I apologize.

Terry

 

[timwinters]

I hear you....but it's the sad reality! Water works best.

That's one of the (many) great things about living in the county. Great water. We have a well and our water is quite tasty and pure with lots of minerals (due to our area). We have a water softener but the kitchen sink bypasses it and thus the water dispenser on the frig does too.

No chlorine.

No fluoride.

Just great tasting water.

I drink at least a gallon a day in the winter, 2 gallons in the summer and in the summer I'll occasionally mix in an electrolyte powdered drink mix or take an electrolyte tablet especially when I'm outside all day.

And the way I figure it...

If you drink enough of God's fluid during the day then you can drink a little devil's juice at night and break even!

 

[FastEddieB]

To get away from soda (I'm supposed to try to avoid cola) I just buy Minute Maid lemonade, but then mix it 4:1 with water - otherwise its way too sweet.

Makes it more like "lemon water" than lemonade, but it keeps me hydrated without too much sugar.

 

[nddons]

That's one of the (many) great things about living in the county. Great water. We have a well and our water is quite tasty and pure with lots of minerals (due to our area). We have a water softener but the kitchen sink bypasses it and thus the water dispenser on the frig does too.

No chlorine.

No fluoride.

Just great tasting water.

I drink at least a gallon a day in the winter, 2 gallons in the summer and in the summer I'll occasionally mix in an electrolyte powdered drink mix or take an electrolyte tablet especially when I'm outside all day.

And the way I figure it...

If you drink enough of God's fluid during the day then you can drink a little devil's juice at night and break even!

I like the way you think.

We have a well too, so I'm happy to schlep home water to work.

I'll have to try an electrolyte powder. Have a recommendation? Water alone is soooo boring.

 

[timwinters]

I've tried many, depends on what store I'm at, what brands they carry and which ones are sugar free.

Sqwincher sugar free mixed berry flavor is a good one when I can find it.

 

[Matthew]

Once or twice a summer I'll make a pitcher of Crystal Light raspberry lemonade just for something different from plain water.

 

[Lawreston]

I wouldn't care if Lobster rolls were downright poisonous. I love those things. But you can't get a good lobster roll in Florida. We have all the ingredients, except for the roll and the lobster.

YANKEE Magazine, some time ago(?) did an article on the 10 Best Lobster Shacks in New England. First place went to Five Islands Lobster, Georgetown, Maine. That's about six miles below my house, probably four if approaching it in my pictured manner. It's the red building on the dock at the left center of the aerial shot.

HR

 

[ron22]

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/7...ieters-friend-study-claims-foster-obesity.htm

Just two or more servings of white bread could put you on the road to gaining weight and puts you at a 40 percent higher risk of obesity, according to new research focused on the eating habits of university graduates.

 

[Jim Logajan]

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/7...ieters-friend-study-claims-foster-obesity.htm

No cause and effect claimed. Just a correlation. The two variables could be effects from a more fundamental cause.

 

[RJM62]

To get away from soda (I'm supposed to try to avoid cola) I just buy Minute Maid lemonade, but then mix it 4:1 with water - otherwise its way too sweet.

Makes it more like "lemon water" than lemonade, but it keeps me hydrated without too much sugar.

Why not just squeeze some lemons into water and sweeten it with stevia or monk fruit? I mean, Eddie, there aren't too many things that are easier to make than lemonade...

Myself, I'm partial to iced green tea. Boil some water, stir some green tea bags into it, let it cool, pour it into a jug, and put it in the refrigerator. A gallon lasts about a week unless I have guests. I don't sweeten it at all in the jug, but sometimes I'll put some stevia in it after I pour it. It's supposed to have some medicinal value for diabetics (beyond it's not being sugar).

My daughter told me that I should get a "sun tea" pitcher and make the tea that way to save electricity, which sounds like a pretty good idea. I have a huge deck that gets full sun most of the day. I could set up a sun tea factory out there if I wanted to. It's also even easier than boiling water.

-Rich

 

[FastEddieB]

Thanks.

Karen's big on "natural" and "organic", so she'd support the switch.

The MinuteMaid is about .99¢ and makes gallons when watered down as much as I do, but real lemons would go a long way as well.

As an aside, along with cola, tea is on the list of things I should try to avoid with my history of kidney stones.

Not a big deal, since tea is not a favorite of mine anyway.

 

[CharlieTango]

To get away from soda (I'm supposed to try to avoid cola) I just buy Minute Maid lemonade, but then mix it 4:1 with water - otherwise its way too sweet.

Makes it more like "lemon water" than lemonade, but it keeps me hydrated without too much sugar.

We drink lemon water too but without any sugar, we pick the lemons.

Same with tea and coffee, why add sugar?

 

[PPC1052]

It's hard to eat healthy when you have zero options.

It's hard to have options when the community robs and vandalizes them out of existence.

There is a similar debate in my city from time to time about these "food deserts." Every once and a while, a new grocery store will go in to such an area (to much fanfare), and in short order is out of business due to high losses and low revenue.

 

[JOhnH]

We drink lemon water too but without any sugar, we pick the lemons.

Same with tea and coffee, why add sugar?

That's our approach too. I just wish our lemons weren't so seasonal. The store bought ones are ok, but they aren't the same.

 

[N801BH]

It's hard to have options when the community robs and vandalizes them out of existence.

There is a similar debate in my city from time to time about these "food deserts." Every once and a while, a new grocery store will go in to such an area (to much fanfare), and in short order is out of business due to high losses and low revenue.

I have seen that too..... Back 30+ years ago in South Dade Fla there was a multi million dollar grocery store that opened to a big fanfare in the "hood"..... Within a week, ALL the shopping carts had been stolen, customer cars broken into on an hourly basis.. The store was robbed almost weekly at gunpoint and apparently theft /shoplifting was so bad they had to post guards at the exit door.... It lasted maybe 1 year and shut down... During that year the entire neighborhood didn't seem to want to help the owners overecome crime by calling in tips on the criminals that commited those thefts/ hold ups etc.etc.... The week the store closed, the neighborhood came out of the woodwork with signs protesting the closing of "their neighborhhood store"... .....

 

[FastEddieB]

Was that in Coconut Grove?

 

[N801BH]

Was that in Coconut Grove?

The one in the Grove lasted a couple of years.... The bad one was in Richmond Heights off S Dixie Hy /US-1 and about 175 st. I think it was a Winn Dixie..

 

[pilot_dude]

Someone above mentioned fresh meat, fruit, vegetables and minimal refined starch. We took the advice of a physician who recommended eating the protein first and if still hungry start with fresh fruit, then fresh vegetables and if still hungry, the refined starch. We haven't had a refined starch in a long time as the protein and fresh stuff fills us up. We feel better and a side effect has been weight loss. Both good things.

 

[RJM62]

Someone above mentioned fresh meat, fruit, vegetables and minimal refined starch. We took the advice of a physician who recommended eating the protein first and if still hungry start with fresh fruit, then fresh vegetables and if still hungry, the refined starch. We haven't had a refined starch in a long time as the protein and fresh stuff fills us up. We feel better and a side effect has been weight loss. Both good things.

Sounds like a doctor who knows his or her stuff to me. The goofballs who came up with the "Food Pyramid" dominated nutrition education for a long time, and a lot of doctors and dieticians still push it, despite it being a recipe for obesity.

I'm persuaded that one of the reasons I went from 165 when I got out of the service, to 230+ by my late 40's, was because of some courses in clinical nutrition I took as lab electives when I was an undergrad. The professor advocated a diet with a caloric intake of between 65 percent and 75 percent carbohydrates, 25 - 35 percent protein, and 5 - 10 percent fat.

Being a stupid kid, I believed her -- despite the fact that she was morbidly obese. Back in those days I hadn't yet learned that PhD stood for "piled higher and deeper," so I overlooked her girth and took her advice to heart -- and started gaining weight. When I was about 39 and started my consulting business, I made matters worse by eating a lot of fast food while I was on the road. That plus middle age accelerated my weight gain.

I've also read that one of the reasons why prepared food manufacturers fill their products with carbs (aside from carbs being cheaper than proteins) is to try to make the nutrition labels conform more to what people have been brainwashed into believing is a "balanced diet." I don't know how true that is, but when I was first diagnosed with DM2 and started checking labels for sugar, I was dumbfounded at how much sugar was in my diet, because I've never had much of a sweet tooth. But practically everything you can buy in a can, bottle, or box has added sugar; so even if you don't think you're eating refined sugar, you almost certainly are. Even most hot sauces have added sugar. How bizarre is that?

And then there are the processed foods marketed specifically as "healthy," including meals marketed to diabetics, people wanting to lose weight, and so forth. They usually have names that include the words "Lean," "Healthy," "Smart," etc. You ever read the labels on that crap? They look like someone just dumped the contents of a chem lab into the box. Plus most of them except Atkins (which I also won't touch) are absurdly high in carbs. "Healthy" my shrinking gluteus maximus! That stuff'll kill ya.

So it's good to hear about a doctor who actually knows something about nutrition. Most of them, in my experience, are clueless about it, courtesy of the jack-asses who dominated the nutrition and dietetics professions when they were in medical school. The same jack-asses bear a lot of blame for the increase in obesity and obesity-related diseases in this country over the past few generations.

-Rich

 

[cowman]

My own diet and health are proof enough to me that we're all built differently and what one person can get away with, others can't.

I probably eat fast food 3-4 times a week. About half of that is a snack- a double cheeseburger or a taco or something so I have food in me and don't end up starving and running out of steam later in the day. Rest is the full calorie big burgers with the fries and full sugar sodas... I always get the small though, never super-sized.

At home this time of year I do most of the cooking so about 2/3 of our meals are done outdoors on the grill. Burgers, steaks, ribs, grilled chipotle lime chicken quesadillas, roast chickens, pork chops, and so on. Usually with a side of either mac&cheese or rice or instant mashed potatoes and often a vegetable- usually sweet corn with lots of butter. Also do beer-battered fish or shrimp skewers or crab legs on occasion.

Also have a real potato side I do sometimes- chop up a potato and put it in a foil ball with lots of butter, chives, salt&pepper. Grill about 30 minutes, add in a bunch of cheese. Really tasty but unless I'm grilling something that takes a while not terribly effective.

Oh we also eat a lot of pizza, frozen & take-out. Oh and kung pao chicken... love that stuff. Love it. I'm addicted to Americanized Chinese food. Only limiting factor is my wife gets tired of it.

I drink lots of soda- not the diet kind. This time of year I switch to iced tea more though.... more refreshing in the heat. Occasionally beer... and no not the lite kind. I actually try to avoid buying any product that says lite, diet, reduced anything. I want real normal food, not some fake BS. If I want less calories I'll eat less food, but I like what I eat to taste good.

Exercise? Well, never had a gym membership in my life. I used to like riding my bike but haven't so much after we moved out of town. Do a little walking around the property but not really much. I do lots of seasonal projects- gardening, firewood cutting, fixing up my car, yard work, house repair/renovation. Some days I'm very active, more days I'm barely out of the house to be honest.

So, basically doing almost everything wrong.... and I'm 5'8" 182lbs with my weight trending down. Low cholesterol, low blood pressure, happy & healthy. My father was the same exact way his whole life too. Yet I know people who do everything right and are overweight to obese all the time and are always on some kind of diet.

Either I'm just eating all this wrong stuff in good enough moderation not to have a problem or my genetics are just right and theirs aren't.

 

[Ghery]

And this brings up another driving factor... no pun intended.......

With the proliferation of handicapped parking spots at all the malls, groceries, etc,etc.... It has led to a unintended byproduct of obesity... Instead of parking far away from the store, most fat people get themselves their little blue tag for their rear view mirror, park right in front of the door of the store and waddle in.....

Think I am kiddin,,, just pay attention to who gets out of all the cars/trucks parked in handicapped spots.... Hint,,,99.992% will NOT be in a wheelchair.......

That reminds me. My temporary permit expired over the weekend. This darned herniated disk either has to get fixed or I'm going to need one of those permits permanently. And forget about being PIC ever again.

We also walked 3 miles to school every day, even in the snow.

I guess I was lucky, it was only 1.5 miles each way in high school. In the snow. Uphill both ways.

Well, dayamm! All this talk about food -- I'll be out of here to pick up a friend. Hidden in the trees(as is the highway in Harpswell[Great Island section]) is a fine little restaurant adjacent to Great Island Boat. That's where I bought my Luders sailboat when the operation was known as Wallace Marina and Boat Yard.
The little restaurant has lobster rolls -- 2 for $20.00 -- best price in the area.

HR

Lobster rolls!!! My wife experienced those for the first time when we were in your neck of the woods a couple years ago. YUMMMMM!!!!!

 

[wsuffa]

As for the soda, I'll occasionally drink it if it's sweetened with stevia, but not with anything else. Aspartame tastes horrid, and I don't like the look of the molecular structure of Sucralose. It reminds me too much of other oganochlorine compounds like chlordane, lindane, heptachlor, DDT, agent orange, carbon tet, etc. I won't touch the stuff, and I really don't give a rat's ass that the FDA approved it.

There's a study out this week from researchers that says the study group lost more weight on diet soda than the ones on water.

I note that the study was funded by the beverage industry.

 

[N801BH]

There's a study out this week from researchers that says the study group lost more weight on diet soda than the ones on water.

I note that the study was funded by the beverage industry.

Hmmmmmmmm....

 

[RJM62]

There's a study out this week from researchers that says the study group lost more weight on diet soda than the ones on water.

I note that the study was funded by the beverage industry.

Well, in fairness, Coca Cola was instrumental in getting stevia approved in the United States (although why a freaking plant should need government approval, I have no idea). Coca Cola also makes Vitamin Water, which is a reasonably decent alternative to soda. So I guess you have to take the bad with the good.

My objection to sucralose ("Splenda") is based purely on its chemistry. I'm not aware of any other chlorinated hydrocarbon that's not an intentional poison of some sort or another -- and to my knowledge, all but one of them have been outlawed even for use as pesticides. When a whole class of chemicals are too toxic to be used as poisons, that raises my eyebrows about the safety of another chemical in that class being used as a food additive.

Of course, I hope I'm wrong. But I also figure that it took science 40 years to figure out that sucralose's cousin chlordane was deadly to more than termites; so if I'm still around when sucralose has been on the U.S. market for that long (that will be in 2038), maybe I'll give it a shot. Until then, I'll pass, thanks.

-Rich

 

[timwinters]

It's hard to have options when the community robs and vandalizes them out of existence.

That was (apparently) not the case in N. St. Louis. Schnucks just shut down their last store in that area and that's exactly what they claimed..."we are not making money at this location".

Well, their landlord stepped up the the plate a few days later with the what he claimed was the store's financials and disputed Schnucks assertion. The lease was set up with a modest "base rent" and then a bonus rent based on store sales and profits. So he knew exactly how much money Schnucks was making...at least he said he did (this is how Dollar General typically leases too...the more they make, the higher the rent payment).

Who was lying? I don't think it was ever determined because Schnucks refused to release their financials for this store.

 

[jesse]

FWIW I do just fine drinking diet soda maintaining or losing weight. It's never been a factor for me. What is a factor is consuming carbs in any sort of quantity.

I don't touch any bread, white, wheat, I don't care what color I don't eat it.

 

[steingar]

Can't figure out why diet drinks get such a bad rap. Some folks just aren't that big on drinking water. Fish do unmentionable things in it. Again, fewer calories in than out and you loose weight. Doesn't matter what kind of calories they are, just affects how hungry you get.

Starches are also getting an unnecessarily bad rap in todays world. Even starches containing refined grains can be eaten in moderation. Despite everything we still crank out the occasional pizza even though was can't stomach the thought of making one out of whole grains. Its pizza! But we only do it once a month or less, so it and of itself won't make us fat.

We're judicious about whole grains, but somewhat less so. I don't worry too much over my serving size of brown rice, it'll fill me up but good before it makes me fat. Beans and rice are a staple here, and it take a lot of that to make you fat. Whole grain breads and biscuits do likewise. Portion control and regular exercise are a far larger part of staying in shape than avoidance of refined grains.

And I pretty well eat all the vegetables I want. Just had 3 cups of salad today in fact. Yummy says me. We don't use high fat dressings and I use the stuff in moderation.

My biggest problem keeping weight off is eating out and drinking. Portions in restaurants are usually too big and the food is high in fat and carbohydrate. Alcohol has calories. Indeed, eating out has caused me to backslide by just a bit. Only temporarily, dammit!

 

[timwinters]

Another danger of obesity.

getting wet

Or maybe it was simple overloading :wink2: