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denverpilot said:
In the *mass* shootings? No. The first assertion is false.

As for the second... someone finally wrote an article that speaks the truth...

http://www.mintpressnews.com/the-facts-that-neither-side-wants-to-admit-about-gun-control/207152/
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Oddly, it is 100% false that you have the medical degrees, clinical training, and patient access to diagnose the perpetrators. And, "experts" on Fox News don't either.

And, anyone who believes Justin King doesn't understand statistics.
 
cowman said:
The trouble with gun control in a nutshell is that the people writing/advocating the laws usually know little about guns and have hidden(or not so hidden) agendas of simply taking them away from everyone- law abiding or not. Then, the NRA/gun owners in general are failing to come up with anything but "no" when the public feels outraged.



What we end up with is a set of laws that are convoluted, inconsistent, often don't even make any sense, and tend to get repealed/passed back and forth over and over again.
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Yes.

And, let's remember, the NRA has successfully lobbied congress to prevent any sort of data collection on gun deaths.

Last thing the NRA wants brought to any discussion where they are selling fear is for somebody to bring facts to the table. Nothing scares Lapierre more.
 
Bob Noel said:
oddly, almost every single gun in the US was not used in a mass shooting.

300,000,000+ firearms in the US and how many have been used in a mass shooting?
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Oddly, 100% of the mass shootings involved a gun. Fact.
 
TEFLONSEAN said:
. Oddlly 100% of those who want gun control....have a convoluted ideal that the weapon somehow fired without any human interaction.



Oddly 100% of all gun deaths required a person pulling the trigger.



Work on the trigger man....not the method.
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Oddly, it is 100% clear you don't know much about guns, gun manufacturing, and gun safety.

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As it is, Remington has received thousands of customer complaints and has been hit with at least 75 lawsuits alleging its iconic 700 series rifles—specifically those with a firing mechanism known as the Walker trigger—are prone to firing without the trigger being pulled. At least 24 deaths and more than 100 serious injuries have been linked to inadvertent discharges of the guns.
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But keep tossing out Straw Men to deflect the discussion away from the OP message of Lapierre.




TEFLONSEAN said:
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LETS MAKE THIS REAL CLEAR....THE 2nd AMENDMENT WILL BE THE LAST THING YOU TAKE FROM AMERICANS.



You don't like it....MOVE....



Please feel free to MOVE...because if you don't understand your core liberties....you have no business being an American.
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Do you think the CAPS LOCK is an effective way to sway somebody to your point of view? Or do you think that it makes you look irrational and angry?
 
RV10flyer said:
In most mass shootings, rarely anyone fought back. Why do you think that is? We have warned everyone to get prepared in the last month and sadly not one person out of 300 people in San Bernardino returned fire, sprayed mace, sprayed wasp spray or threw a rock. You have got to do something people! Everyone cannot run and hide. Your dreaming if you think a 911 call is going to save you and your family. Just review the U.S. mass shootings in the last 30 years and see when the cops arrived. I paid a visit to two local gun stores and the shelves were nearly empty. We can't just buy them, we must train with them and be confident in our abilities to protect ourselves and our families. Good luck.
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The opportunity to start buying guns for Kindergartners and training 5 year olds to shoot back is where this country is falling asleep.
 
Bob Noel said:
oddly, almost every single gun in the US was not used in a mass shooting.

300,000,000+ firearms in the US and how many have been used in a mass shooting?
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Compare the number of firearms involved in mass shootings as a percentage, to the number of cars involved in fatalities, and then get back to me with your car-control legislation...if it saves just one life.
 
champ driver said:
Stick it the spin zone.
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Here ya go:

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JoseCuervo said:
The opportunity to start buying guns for Kindergartners and training 5 year olds to shoot back is where this country is falling asleep.
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My wife and I both were taught about gun safety, proper use and cleaning starting at age 5 and our children are being taught the same.
 
JeffDG said:
Compare the number of firearms involved in mass shootings as a percentage, to the number of cars involved in fatalities, and then get back to me with your car-control legislation...if it saves just one life.
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We do license every car.

We do require licenses for every person operating a car.

We do require people operating cars to carry liability insurance.

We do regulate the fuel we can put into cars.

We do revoke privileges to operate a car for many reasons.

We study the hell out of car accidents, collect huge amounts of data.

We fund entire federal agencies to make cars safer.
 
RV10flyer said:
My wife and I both were taught about gun safety, proper use and cleaning starting at age 5 and our children are being taught the same.
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Your sending 5 year olds to school with a gun?


My 5 year olds did well to remember to take their backpack with home work. And, he'll, half the time it got left on a bus or playground, completely out of their control.
 
JoseCuervo said:
We do license every car.

We do require licenses for every person operating a car.

We do require people operating cars to carry liability insurance.

We do regulate the fuel we can put into cars.

We do revoke privileges to operate a car for many reasons.

We study the hell out of car accidents, collect huge amounts of data.

We fund entire federal agencies to make cars safer.
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So, what you're saying then, is all those regulations have singularly failed. More cars are involved in fatalities than guns. So you are advocating a reduction in car control. Welcome.
 
JeffDG said:
I'm simply quoting the definition of the militia. All male US Citizens between the ages of 17-45 are members of the militia.
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And who said they had 100% of all guns?


And, is there a reason that the "well regulated" part gets ignored?
 
JoseCuervo said:
And who said they had 100% of all guns?


And, is there a reason that the "well regulated" part gets ignored?
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You mean defined in the "US Code" and assigned to the militia is not "well regulated"?

You also seem to be unaware of the basics of English grammar, being the difference between a prefactory and an operative clause.
 
JeffDG said:
So, what you're saying then, is all those regulations have singularly failed. More cars are involved in fatalities than guns. So you are advocating a reduction in car control. Welcome.
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How about, instead of trying to make up what I am saying, you save everyone the nonsense and just read what I wrote?

And, without looking at the Stats, I would bet the newly manufactured 2015 car is much safer than the 1975 version on the highway. And, I would guess the rates of highway fatalities are trending down, over time, at a faster rate than gun fatalities.
 
JoseCuervo said:
How about, instead of trying to make up what I am saying, you save everyone the nonsense and just read what I wrote?
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I did.

You said that cars are far more regulated than guns. Facts are that cars kill FAR more people than guns. So, the regulations you propose will kill more people than they save.

It's not my fault that your chosen argument is stupid.
 
KA550 said:
Part of the Core Values I guess
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Whatever those are today.

Hey, shouldn't the entire Hangar Talk forum be closed because of this now? If the MC were consistent that is, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
Let's face it, sooner or later there will be laws to restrict gun sales/ownership. I don't know when that will be, but it will happen. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, but little else. At some point after that, there will be calls for confiscation. That is when it will get rough. I still struggle to understand people's willingness to give up freedom for safety, it's as if they can't follow the logic and see where that thinking eventually leads. I don't want to be safe, I want to be free.
 
JeffDG said:
I did.



You said that cars are far more regulated than guns. Facts are that cars kill FAR more people than guns. So, the regulations you propose will kill more people than they save.



It's not my fault that your chosen argument is stupid.
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Please show any studies you wish that unlicensed drivers are safer than licensed drivers.

Please show any studies you wish that cars from 40 years ago are safer than cars built today with tons of mandated safety features.

Yes, cars are far more regulated than guns. And fatality rates are going down for cars.

I will stand by that statement.
 
JeffDG said:
Whatever those are today.

Hey, shouldn't the entire Hangar Talk forum be closed because of this now? If the MC were consistent that is, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Most of the members here are adult enough to not read what they don't like. Just like your option to not go into the spin zone. you have the option to not read this thread.
 
JoseCuervo said:
Yes, cars are far more regulated than guns. .
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Tell me where you must under go a back ground check, and a waiting period to buy a car? Felons can legally own a car.

a little misinformed are we?
 
When you are required to send your children to school, or go to jail, isn't the school responsible for their safety?
The school certainly will get sued if a child gets injured by the play ground equipment. Why wasn't the Sandyhook or Columbine schools sued, for lack of protection of the children? If the shopping center is a gun free zone, aren't they responsible for your safety while you are there?
 
Tom-D said:
Tell me where you must under go a back ground check, and a waiting period to buy a car? Felons can legally own a car.



a little misinformed are we?
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You don't believe cars are far more regulated than guns?
 
Tom-D said:
Most of the members here are adult enough to not read what they don't like. Just like your option to not go into the spin zone. you have the option to not read this thread.
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Huh...but the MC seems to think that they had to shut down the SZ as a whole because of threads like this, yet they probably won't do the same for HT. Like I said, consistency is not their strong suit.
 
JeffDG said:
You don't believe cars kill far more people than guns?
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not the subject. the POTUS isn't trying to change the rules of ownership of your cars. If he were you'd be screaming like a pig caught under a gate.
 
JeffDG said:
Huh...but the MC seems to think that they had to shut down the SZ as a whole because of threads like this, yet they probably won't do the same for HT. Like I said, consistency is not their strong suit.
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NOT my problem. If you don't like the page as is,,, leave.
 
Tom-D said:
NOT my problem. If you don't like the page as is,,, leave.
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I'm sure they'll toss me at some point.

They're free to get rid of the SZ, and I'm free (until they ban me) to point out their Core Values "reason" is a load of BS and entirely inconsistent with HT remaining here.
 
JeffDG said:
I'm sure they'll toss me at some point.

They're free to get rid of the SZ, and I'm free (until they ban me) to point out their Core Values "reason" is a load of BS and entirely inconsistent with HT remaining here.
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What ever, babble on.
 
Tom-D said:
Tell me where you must under go a back ground check, and a waiting period to buy a car? Felons can legally own a car.



a little misinformed are we?
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Speaking of misinformed, I can go buy all the AR15's and High Capcity magazines I want without passing a background check.

Just have to head down to the local fairgrounds gun show and look for the big bellied guy with the NRA hat, and he will hook me up without any sort of background check, assuming he is ok with a Hispanic screen name.
 
JeffDG said:
You don't believe that banning cars would reduce car fatalities it zero?
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Who, besides you, has said anything about banning all cars (or guns)?

Why make crap up to create false arguments?
 
JoseCuervo said:
Speaking of misinformed, I can go buy all the AR15's and High Capcity magazines I want without passing a background check.

Just have to head down to the local fairgrounds gun show and look for the big bellied guy with the NRA hat, and he will hook me up without any sort of background check, assuming he is ok with a Hispanic screen name.
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That's a bull shi- liberal lie.
 
JoseCuervo said:
Who, besides you, has said anything about banning all cars (or guns)?

Why make crap up to create false arguments?
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But if it saves just one life. Why do you support carnage on the roads? You're a monster!!!
 
Tom-D said:
That's a bull shi- liberal lie.
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How so?

That my screen name is Hispanic?

Or, that I can head down to the local gun show and buy a gun without any sort of background check?
 
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