New California declares ‘independence’ from California, hopes to become 51st state

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Will the National Guard remain loyal to the Governor?

I want to see tanks in the streets!


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I think California isn’t the only state ,that would like to separate the urban areas,from the suburbs.
 
Well, they'd need congressional approval to do it, so they should do it while both houses are in GOP control as the Dems most likely would be against it.

Many conservatives have long argued for Texas to divide into as many as five states. And as it is mostly a conservative / GOP state and they would gain more Senators and possibly a lock on that house for a long time. Not sure, if I agree but it is an interesting subject. There are some interesting constitutional discussions to be had as well.
 
Well, which one are we talking about? There are MANY New Californias. Well, I guess our local one is slightly different since it is called Nuevo Kalyfornya. Same thing, though.
 
New Calidonia...isn't that where McHale and PT73 went for leave? Oh wait... they said New California... They could just be "california" with a lower case c or Kalifornia... Hell, just call it New-New Mexico!
 
Yeah they have been at odds with the State of Jefferson contingent. They are among a few whackadoo splinter separatists groups.

But I would join them.
 
Good for them, CA has been circling the drain for some time now, just keep ramping up to their goal of going full retard.
 
Good lord...there are always a "group" of nutjobs that wanna succeed/separate/split/divide and in CA you can get enough signatures for anything from the paid gatherers standing outside all the Whole Foods.

For some reason the media keeps giving them attention, but every time you poll the masses in CA they all say F-That and leave it alone which is why it will never happen any time soon.

...but it gives all the CA haters some red meat and justification of their bias to jump all over cuz it must be true and what every Californian thinks since they read it on the internet.

To their point though...for all you that think CA is nothing but a bunch of hippie liberal snowflakes, that area in blue that they wanna make a new state is very conservative generally speaking...the population centers however are in the yellow and dominate the political landscape and state image.
 
Shawn said:
Good lord...there are always a "group" of nutjobs that wanna succeed/separate/split/divide and in CA you can get enough signatures for anything from the paid gatherers standing outside all the Whole Foods.

For some reason the media keeps giving them attention, but every time you poll the masses in CA they all say F-That and leave it alone which is why it will never happen any time soon.

...but it gives all the CA haters some red meat and justification of their bias to jump all over cuz it must be true and what every Californian thinks since they read it on the internet.

To their point though...for all you that think CA is nothing but a bunch of hippie liberal snowflakes, that area in blue that they wanna make a new state is very conservative generally speaking...the population centers however are in the yellow and dominate the political landscape and state image.
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Actually it's the people that are driving their 100k teslas to Whole Foods, talking about "helping the poor" but looking down their nose at everyone outside of their 1M+ communities, those what people are trying to get away from lol

I love the state, I'm from there, but between their stance on criminals, and the armpit of crime, the boutique liberals jacking up taxes and lowering constitutional rights, businesses are fleeing left and right, income inequality in the parts they want to leave is nuts, I mean that area and south NY should get together and just go away.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-jackson-california-poverty-20180114-story.html
 
Shawn said:
To their point though...for all you that think CA is nothing but a bunch of hippie liberal snowflakes, that area in blue that they wanna make a new state is very conservative generally speaking...the population centers however are in the yellow and dominate the political landscape and state image.
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I think most of us know that already, which is why many of us would be supportive of them creating their own state, IF that's what THEY want to do. Although I haven't lived there, many of the folks I know that hail from parts of Cali outside of those population centers seem to be very down to earth and, frankly, embarrassed of the rep they've been saddled with. I'd love to see those folks break free from that, if it is of their choosing.

I'm sure there are a lot of folks that feel very unrepresented by their urban governments. Colorado and Illinois come to mind.

On a somewhat related note, I've long though that states with this problem should have an electoral system like Nebraska, where the rural population has a little more stroke. Winner-take-all pretty much leaves the rural folk out of the equation in several states.
 
OkieFlyer said:
...On a somewhat related note, I've long though that states with this problem should have an electoral system like Nebraska, where the rural population has a little more stroke. Winner-take-all pretty much leaves the rural folk out of the equation in several states.
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What makes you think California is winner-take-all?
 
OkieFlyer said:
I think most of us know that already, which is why many of us would be supportive of them creating their own state, IF that's what THEY want to do. Although I haven't lived there, many of the folks I know that hail from parts of Cali outside of those population centers seem to be very down to earth and, frankly, embarrassed of the rep they've been saddled with. I'd love to see those folks break free from that, if it is of their choosing.

I'm sure there are a lot of folks that feel very unrepresented by their urban governments. Colorado and Illinois come to mind.

On a somewhat related note, I've long though that states with this problem should have an electoral system like Nebraska, where the rural population has a little more stroke. Winner-take-all pretty much leaves the rural folk out of the equation in several states.
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Your ignorance of the representation of rural areas is astounding. Montana and similar low population states are way over represented in Congress per capitalize wise. A voter in those states has much more power than a voter in a densely populated state. Compare population verses senator. This was done to appease the south that should have had Sherman turned loose on the a second time.
 
Paulie said:
You mean the state that's the sixth largest economy in the WORLD?
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Ba ha ha, dude read the article I linked to.

You born and raised SoCal?
 
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New California seems to be keeping Humboldt County. Not exactly the bastion of conservatism. The central valley does tend to be very conservative (read: Agriculture = farmers = conservative) and the high population people tend to be liberal.

Shocking isn't it?

Next we'll hear that most New York districts are more conservative than NYC.

Mind Bottling
 
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bbridges51 said:
Now i remember why PoA removed the SpinZone.
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This. Some cannot discuss politics without slamming the other side. Move on or the thread will be closed.

Note that it should not have been started in the first place, since it was designed to fan partisan flames, even with smilies...
 
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Everskyward said:
This. Some cannot discuss politics without slamming the other side. Move on or the thread will be closed.

Note that it should not have been started in the first place, since it was designed to fan partisan flames, even with smilies...
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But...the other side is dead wrong! The other side is always making stuff up to make us look bad! The other side should be banned!
 
When I lived there I thought California ought to be split South to North. I thought there were significant cultural differences between the two.

Rural and urban American have been at odds with each other throughout American history.
 
Gerrymandering is a cancer anyways. This so called republic hasn't been democratic in earnest in a long time, if ever. I would go the opposite direction actually. 38 state union like that map from the 70s (google it), except I would consolidate it down even further. Everybody thinks they're special in their own mind, but a ton of adjoining states are not regionally as heterogeneous in population customs and behavior to warrant political line demarcation. But the rent seekers won't have any of it. Reminds me of my formative home: 78 municipalities, 76 of them in 3,500 square miles. LOL

We already have the Senate and the judicial as pseudo aristocratic undemocratic institutions, with which to guard argainst the so called idiocy of the democratic majority (and I'm being sarcastic about the last statement). No need to further gerrymander and cheat your way into power because you don't like the opinion or social behavior of your increasingly majority neighbors. States are like children anyways, the benefit vs trouble ratio is specious sometimes, and I say that as a father lol. Hawaii hitting the nuclear klaxon by mistake, California throwing a tantrum, Alabama still legislating last century's social agreement while the other children have moved on to more advanced questions, just to name a few of the children. A straight up hassle if you ask me. Lol
 
This will be a better place as soon as everyone realizes I should be the king of the universe.....:rolleyes: :lol::lol:
 
Everskyward said:
This. Some cannot discuss politics without slamming the other side. Move on or the thread will be closed.

Note that it should not have been started in the first place, since it was designed to fan partisan flames, even with smilies...
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What if we don't like either side?
 
steingar said:
When I lived there I thought California ought to be split South to North. I thought there were significant cultural differences between the two.
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Every few years a SoCal contingent starts screamin this...and all of us in NorCal say "Go Ahead"...cuz we have all the natural resources, agriculture and industry and would be GLAD to sell it to ya! SoCal was built in a desert.

Other then some biotech in San Diego, SoCal only has a dying entertainment industry as even that is fleeing the state
 
Clark1961 said:
If you ever played dodgeball you learned that you had to be on one side or the other or have a doctor’s note to sit out.
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Well, the difference here is that in dodgeball, you have two teams that actually oppose each other.
 
Shawn said:
Other then some biotech in San Diego, SoCal only has a dying entertainment industry as even that is fleeing the state
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I'd say we have a little more than that. Within a mile of my office are Sony, HP, Northrop Grumman, and Broadcomm just off the top of my head. Further out we have L3, Qualcomm, and General Atomics. Not to mention all the military that's here. And tourism. That's just SD. LA has lots of tech and tourism too.
 
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