New BasicMed regs questions

Does anyone regularly do 5 hours in a car without stopping?
Yes. Quiet, air conditioned, super comfy and adjustable seats, one with built in seat massagers, driving aids like adaptive cruise control and lane keeping makes 5 hrs easy-peasy.
I find most light GA planes significantly less comfortable than any modern car
Concur, for all the things above that the 172 doesn’t have. Autopilot (we don’t have) is super helpful to reduce active workload, but does nothing for all the other environmental factors.
 
Yes, I do it on a regular basis. We make a drive between Wisconsin and North Carolina multiple times each year, in one day. We stop twice for fuel (both people and vehicle), and that's about it; it can be done with one stop, but you're pulling into the destination with a completely empty gas tank.

We drive because it's a lot less hassle than flying commercial, and we can carry stuff (and pets) that you wouldn't trust with the airlines. A 5-hour stint in a small plane would be far preferable to 11-12 in a car. The commercial alternative generally involves a stop in ATL, MSP or DTW, plus hour-long drives at each end, so the GA option would be the fastest alternative (even if we had to stop for fuel halfway).
You do that with little kids? I couldn't even sell that to my teenagers.
 
You do that with little kids? I couldn't even sell that to my teenagers.
With little kids, there's not really a way to do it as they're going to need to go to the bathroom/diaper changed/fed at about the 2.5-3 hour mark. However, if you drive at night, it is often possible to pull it off and once they get to be eight or nine, that is an easy stretch with judicious management of beverages (kind and frequency). My parents used to do it a lot with eight of us kids in the car, ranging from baby to teenagers - and I even remember it fondly somehow, even though I probably could still sing a whole CD's worth of children's songs backwards from listening to it over and over one vacation! The driving got a lot easier once the youngest got to be five or six for sure.
 
You do that with little kids? I couldn't even sell that to my teenagers.

We’d tell the kids we’re going to wherever is 5hrs away and let them know we’d tell them when we were 45mins from out from a stop or getting there. If they needed to go to the bathroom, they needed to tell us early because it might take a while to find one.

They loaded up on books to read, music to listen to, and when portable DVD became a thing, had one of those with individual screens.

What we did not do was load them up with caffeine and sugar in their daily lives, much less on a trip. To this day my son doesn’t do any sodas of any type and he’s 30.

Everybody’s different, but long road trips were part of our life when we had kids. We made it fun, laid out our expectations, and if somebody needed to stop, we honored it. The kids were more excited to get there than they were to stop and it worked for us. Primarily because they slept a lot of the way.
 
When the kids were younger, we did it in a 35' class A motorhome. SUPER easy. Grabbing lunch or a bathroom break was literally a 1 minute stop. Plenty of games, entertainment options, space for each kid, refrigerator, etc.

The only downside was that I did 100% of the driving. It was worth it.
So what's the GA equivalent of a 35' class A motorhome? And a 1 minute lunch/bathroom break?
 
With little kids, there's not really a way to do it as they're going to need to go to the bathroom/diaper changed/fed at about the 2.5-3 hour mark. However, if you drive at night, it is often possible to pull it off and once they get to be eight or nine, that is an easy stretch with judicious management of beverages (kind and frequency). My parents used to do it a lot with eight of us kids in the car, ranging from baby to teenagers - and I even remember it fondly somehow, even though I probably could still sing a whole CD's worth of children's songs backwards from listening to it over and over one vacation! The driving got a lot easier once the youngest got to be five or six for sure.
Did your parents stop every 3 hours? Also 8 kids in the car. Dad's rule every year driving Chicago to Salt Lake was "the car stops when it needs gas. You figure out the rest." This is why I am able to do a 10 hour Atlantic crossing commercially without getting up out of my seat.

:rofl:
 
Did your parents stop every 3 hours? Also 8 kids in the car. Dad's rule every year driving Chicago to Salt Lake was "the car stops when it needs gas. You figure out the rest." This is why I am able to do a 10 hour Atlantic crossing commercially without getting up out of my seat.

:rofl:
Only during the day and only when the youngest was under two. During those years, we'd drive a lot at night and then we drove until the baby woke up or the car needed gas, whichever came first. Once we all were over the age of two, the average time between stops rose over 4 hours, closer to 5 most of the time. I think our record, though, was about 6.5 hours in a middle-of-the-night leg when my dad joined a convoy of semis and just drafted behind them for hours.

It was a requirement that everyone use the facilities every time we stopped for gas even if you didn't think you had to, and if you needed to stop later and you were the only one...it could be quite an adventure getting in and out of the vehicle after it was packed and between that and the time wasted on an extra stop, let's just say you were not very popular. There was a lot of peer pressure to learn how to hold it. :lol::lol:
 
It was a requirement that everyone use the facilities every time we stopped for gas even if you didn't think you had to
“Go to the bathroom before we get in the car (or airplane.)”
“I don’t have to go.”
“Go anyway.”

Before Facebook, my younger brother was going to build a website that the family could post pictures on, etc. Never actually happened, but we determined that GoBeforeWeLeave.com was available. :biggrin:
 
Only during the day and only when the youngest was under two. During those years, we'd drive a lot at night and then we drove until the baby woke up or the car needed gas, whichever came first. Once we all were over the age of two, the average time between stops rose over 4 hours, closer to 5 most of the time. I think our record, though, was about 6.5 hours in a middle-of-the-night leg when my dad joined a convoy of semis and just drafted behind them for hours.

It was a requirement that everyone use the facilities every time we stopped for gas even if you didn't think you had to, and if you needed to stop later and you were the only one...it could be quite an adventure getting in and out of the vehicle after it was packed and between that and the time wasted on an extra stop, let's just say you were not very popular. There was a lot of peer pressure to learn how to hold it. :lol::lol:
Next question. Were you like us and counted off after every stop? Had to make sure we were all in. :happydance:
 
Next question. Were you like us and counted off after every stop? Had to make sure we were all in. :happydance:
Pretty much - my parents called by row and you were responsible for alerting them if your seat buddy/buddies were missing from your row. We never left anyone behind, so I guess it worked!
 
I guess you all liked each other. I would have seen this as an opportunity to ditch a sibling... :devil:
I mean, most of the time...but also, my parents were a lot scarier when I was a kid than they are now. :biggrin:
 
So on the original question of what’s the best basic med 1000 mile airplane considering the new rules that will be enacted soon for a young family of 4.

I believe it depends on what compromises you’re willing to make. And how much you’re willing to spend.

As mentioned many twin Cessnas would meet the new basic med rules (all 340s would, 414s and 421s might if you stc to 7 seats I believe they were originally certified for 8)
Also there are many other options like Barons, Dukes, Navajos, Aerostars, Malibu, or a TBM that would meet the new rules too. But it’s a compromise on one thing or another.

In my case I have taken my family on many 1,000+ mile trips (with stops). We used to do this in a Turbo 182 RG and now have a Cessna 310. We’ve done this as my family has grown to now an infant, 3 year old and 6 year old.
Once we get flying everyone settles in and 4 hour legs seem to work the best. I have done a few 6 hour legs before but that gets pretty long.

Weather is always a consideration and all GA airplanes have limitations here so you do need to have some flexibility in your plans, that said I’ve usually been able to make a trip work within a day of our original plan.

Back to the best airframe question, it’s going to be a compromise no matter how you look at it. For me the 310R was the best choice. It’s been reasonable to purchase, fly and maintain, and does all the things I needed it to do. I would consider my 310 a good comfortable 700-800 mile non stop airplane, but could stretch it to 1,000 if I fill it up and want to stay in the air that long.
A 414 or TBM would be more comfortable and do some things better but they would have their catches too and do cost more.
 
KFRG-KMYR-OLBEC-KMIA puts a stop halfway between Long Island and Miami with legs of about 500 nm and no long segments with your feet wet. Your entire family will be happier (and be able to afford better colleges) if you get the best plane for the 500-mile mission and enjoy lunch somewhere like Myrtle Beach when you make the longer trips.
Great reply! Thank you. I agree on that 500 mile mission.
 
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