Navy seeks spare parts supplier for new P-8A aircraft

It's very intersting watching this, as it's really clear to me that the P8 will NOT be able to do many of the tasks done by the P3. To get range and duration it has to carry so much fuel that it can't get in and out of many naval bases. It's going to be VERY interesting. If you can't get in and out of the base, you can't have a presence....
 
What is the runway requirement for the P-8A ?
 
bbchien said:
It's very intersting watching this, as it's really clear to me that the P8 will NOT be able to do many of the tasks done by the P3. To get range and duration it has to carry so much fuel that it can't get in and out of many naval bases. It's going to be VERY interesting. If you can't get in and out of the base, you can't have a presence....
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Different job = new aircraft.

The new subs can't be found by a noise foot print.

what we now do, is snoopy work.
 
Tom-D said:
Different job = new aircraft.

The new subs can't be found by a noise foot print.

what we now do, is snoopy work.
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I thought the P-3 used a MAD array to detect, along with the ability to drop sonabouys for noise detection.
 
Anthony said:
I thought the P-3 used a MAD array to detect, along with the ability to drop sonabouys for noise detection.
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P-3s do have MAD booms, but from most P-3 guys I know, it is pretty hit or miss...you pretty much have to fly right over the top of the thing. Biggest thing the P-3 brings is a crap ton of buoys and has a very long on station time.

AFAIK, the P-8 will still have a crap ton of buoys but no on station time.
 
Anthony said:
I thought the P-3 used a MAD array to detect, along with the ability to drop sonabouys for noise detection.
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MAD has very limited range, 1nm or less. It is used for pinpointing before dropping the MK46. As far as the P-3 replacement goes I can't for the life of me understand why a modified C-130J wasn't the option. Good loiter capability, excellent payload and it utilizes a current airframe with common parts stream with another Navy type. Able to land at ANY NAS on the planet. :dunno:
 
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Threefingeredjack said:
MAD has very limited range, 1nm or less. It is used for pinpointing before dropping the MK46. As far as the P-3 replacement goes I can't for the life of me understand why a modified C-130J wasn't the option. Good loiter capability, excellent payload and it utilizes a current airframe with common parts stream with another Navy type. Able to land at ANY NAS on the planet. :dunno:
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Well the retired former Navy Admirals now working for whomever is the supplier, worked out a nice deal with their current Admiral buddies and others in the DOD. When those people retire from the Navy, they'll get a very nice job, and paycheck from the supplier, and the cycle continues, funded by yours truly and everyone else.
 
Anthony said:
Well the retired former Navy Admirals now working for whomever is the supplier, worked out a nice deal with their current Admiral buddies and others in the DOD. When those people retire from the Navy, they'll get a very nice job, and paycheck from the supplier, and the cycle continues, funded by yours truly and everyone else.
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Say it ain't so!!!!! :D The P-8 is a modified Boeing 737
 
Anthony said:
Well the retired former Navy Admirals now working for whomever is the supplier, worked out a nice deal with their current Admiral buddies and others in the DOD. When those people retire from the Navy, they'll get a very nice job, and paycheck from the supplier, and the cycle continues, funded by yours truly and everyone else.
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What you just said would be absolutely friggin' hilarious.....except for the fact that it is so very true.
 
Threefingeredjack said:
MAD has very limited range, 1nm or less. It is used for pinpointing before dropping the MK46. As far as the P-3 replacement goes I can't for the life of me understand why a modified C-130J wasn't the option. Good loiter capability, excellent payload and it utilizes a current airframe with common parts stream with another Navy type. Able to land at ANY NAS on the planet. :dunno:
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You are trying to use logic when talking about the military/government thought process. You should know better.
 
Threefingeredjack said:
After 27 years active duty I should know better, but there are still windmills out there that need challenging. :D
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I think that is why my bosses don't like me. I have the reputation of being the person to go to if you want to call out management's BS but don't want to do it yourself. I enjoy it.
 
darrell said:
A P-3 is a C-130 with upside-down engines. Unless you're a P-3 driver, in which case the C-130 has the upside-down engines.
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The "ENGINE" is the power section, and in both installations it runs the same position.

The only portion of the T-56-A14 and the T65-A16 that will run in either position is the gear box, and it must be assembled for each position.
 
Anthony said:
I thought the P-3 used a MAD array to detect, along with the ability to drop sonabouys for noise detection.
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MAD booms went away with the advent of the EP-3C.
 
darrell said:
You're jokeproof I see.

So the compressor section is not part of the engine?
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The compressor section is part of the power section as is the combustion section and turbine.

All three of these components are the power section which drives the gear box pinion in put shaft, thru the torque meter, which can be attached at the pinion high position or the gear box can be inverted and the torque meter can then be attached at the pinion low position.

I built these engines for 12 years at NAS Whidbey AIMD.

And yes I know all the jokes.
 
darrell said:
A P-3 is a C-130 with upside-down engines. Unless you're a P-3 driver, in which case the C-130 has the upside-down engines.
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The USCG actually had a couple P-3s we were loaned from the Navy....but we gave them back when we saw the chinz curtains, the cute cat pictures, and the lace doilies..... :D
 
Tom-D said:
The compressor section is part of the power section as is the combustion section and turbine.

All three of these components are the power section which drives the gear box pinion in put shaft, thru the torque meter, which can be attached at the pinion high position or the gear box can be inverted and the torque meter can then be attached at the pinion low position.
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Well we just differ on definitions. I'm not an Allison guy anyway. I'm all GE/PW/Klimov.
 
Tom-D said:
MAD booms went away with the advent of the EP-3C.
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The EP-3Cs may not have MAD booms, but the standard P-3Cs definitely still do and they are functional (was just talking to a P-3C pilot/co-worker today).
 
Maybe we should just go back to these? :D


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Threefingeredjack said:
The USCG actually had a couple P-3s we were loaned from the Navy....but we gave them back when we saw the chinz curtains, the cute cat pictures, and the lace doilies..... :D
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I once heard a an F-14 driver at Miramar say the P-3 Community should wear "Wings of Bronze". He was roundly abused of that thought by an A-6 Pilot who told him an F-14 driver was just a stick actuator for the guy in the back who was the only one that actually did anything useful against the bad guys. :lol:

They both agreed that the USAF sucks and fisticuffs were avoided. :D

Cheers
 
X3 Skier said:
I once heard a an F-14 driver at Miramar say the P-3 Community should wear "Wings of Bronze". He was roundly abused of that thought by an A-6 Pilot who told him an F-14 driver was just a stick actuator for the guy in the back who was the only one that actually did anything useful against the bad guys. :lol:

They both agreed that the USAF sucks and fisticuffs were avoided. :D

Cheers
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:rofl:

When I was at an interservice "college" for field grade officers we had both a ex-RIO and a front seater in the class. The RIO insisted on calling the pilot "Jeeves" since he was nothing but a chauffeur. :D
 
Fearless Tower said:
The EP-3Cs may not have MAD booms, but the standard P-3Cs definitely still do and they are functional (was just talking to a P-3C pilot/co-worker today).
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Yes there are P-3-C still operating. The EP- is the latest version, and will be operating long after the P-8 replaces the C-harlies, IAW my sources here at Whidbey.
 
Anthony said:
Maybe we should just go back to these? :D


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That was my old man's ride when he was my age. I remember him saying that the difference between the Neptune, and later the Orions that they got when he was in the reserves close to his retirement, was night and day. Then again, the NDB was pretty high speed back in his day :)
 
Threefingeredjack said:
:rofl:

When I was at an interservice "college" for field grade officers we had both a ex-RIO and a front seater in the class. The RIO insisted on calling the pilot "Jeeves" since he was nothing but a chauffeur. :D
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In API, I had a Marine ECMO instructor for one of the classes, who always referred to SNA's as "stick wigglers"
 
Fearless Tower said:
Perhaps, but they are completely different missions.
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And as the electronics keep changing, so will the mission.

that was the driving force behind the P-8.

As the technology subs use to hide evolves, that will drive the technology we use to find them.
 
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I think there are currently 3 (?) squadrons of P-3Cs at NAS Jax? Maybe 3 "line" and 1 training? I wonder if they'd all switch to P-8s over time, or if one ore more squadrons would deactivate. Where are the P-3Cs anymore besides Whidbey and Jax (stateside, anyway)?

If memory serves, there's two P-8s at Jax right now, not sure if they are attached to a particular squadron or if it's just a research thing.
 
darrell said:
I think there are currently 3 (?) squadrons of P-3Cs at NAS Jax? Maybe 3 "line" and 1 training? I wonder if they'd all switch to P-8s over time, or if one ore more squadrons would deactivate. Where are the P-3Cs anymore besides Whidbey and Jax (stateside, anyway)?

If memory serves, there's two P-8s at Jax right now, not sure if they are attached to a particular squadron or if it's just a research thing.
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Think they still have K-bay as well. I have a couple P-3 friends, and they are both transitioning to the P-8 when they get back from deployment. Saw one in person doing low approaches at Key West a couple weeks ago.
 
Tom-D said:
And as the electronics keep changing, so will the mission.

that was the driving force behind the P-8.

As the technology subs use to hide evolves, that will drive the technology we use to find them.
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I think you are confusing mission with tactics.

Technology most definitely will result in changes to the TTPs (Tactics, Techniques and Procedures), but the key warfare/mission area remains the same.

ASW is a primary mission for both the P-3C and the P-8. The tactics will obviously be different once they fully sort out how they will employ the P-8 in ASW.

The EP-3 is a SIGINT platform - very different from ASW and while the next generation USN SIGINT aircraft may also be based on the 737 airframe, it will NOT be a P-8.


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darrell said:
I think there are currently 3 (?) squadrons of P-3Cs at NAS Jax? Maybe 3 "line" and 1 training? I wonder if they'd all switch to P-8s over time, or if one ore more squadrons would deactivate. Where are the P-3Cs anymore besides Whidbey and Jax (stateside, anyway)?

If memory serves, there's two P-8s at Jax right now, not sure if they are attached to a particular squadron or if it's just a research thing.
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There used to always be P-3 activity at NAS Boca Chica down Key West. It was cool watching all the stuff that used to practice there in the winter.
 
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