[NA] Terri Schiavo autopsy results back husband

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In a victory for Michael Schiavo, a coroner who performed an autopsy on Terri Schiavo reported Wednesday that she suffered from an irreversible brain injury and would not have recovered as her parents insisted was possible. It also found no evidence that she was strangled or otherwise abused.
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“The brain weighed 615 grams, roughly half of the expected weight of a human brain," he added.
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After reading the article, is your opinion on what should have been done changed at all?

Mine hasn't: This should never have become such a media/political firestorm. It was between and should have stayed between the parents, the husband, and the courts.
 
and she was blind. wonder how many hours of footage they had to edit to make it appear she was watching the balloon. poor poor woman. may she rip. tc
 
Shall I hold my breath waiting for Bill Frist to admit that his "diagnosis via vidiotape" was wrong? Probably not.
 
I have the TV on in the evenings while I'm building my RV-7 so I watched -- listened might be a better word -- to a lot of the Terri Schiavo coverage. After listening to nurses who had taken care of her, interviews with her family, husband's lawyer and brother, and everything else, in my opinion, she should have been allowed to live under her parent's responsibility. They were more than willing to do it, so why not?

Multiple nurses who cared for her said that she was not a vegetable. Her desire to die was based only on her husband's word. By most accounts he was a control freak and their marriage was on the rocks. The night she went into a coma was very suspicious -- the paramedics alerted the police -- and I was convinced that her husband probably caused the brain damage/coma by beating her in a fit of rage. Apparantly she had all sort of bone fractures that were never properly investigated -- again, I was convinced they were caused by spousal abuse. What does the autopsy say about these? The main stream media reporting that her brain damage stroke was caused by bulimia was totally fabricated.

Yes, may she rest in peace.

... Bill
 
Let's keep in mind that whatever your (generic applying to anyone) viewpoint on her state of mind is, none of us truly know. We hear what we're told through the media. Many of us hear what OUR perception of the 'truth' is and readily accept it while dismissing things that don't agree with our 'truth'.

Without BEING there at the time of her coma and subsequent care, we have only reports and second/third/fourthhand knowledge. You hear what they want you to hear, regardless of your position. Remember that.
 
flybill7 said:
Apparantly she had all sort of bone fractures that were never properly investigated -- again, I was convinced they were caused by spousal abuse. What does the autopsy say about these? The main stream media reporting that her brain damage stroke was caused by bulimia was totally fabricated.
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The autopsy report says that there is absolutely no evidence of any bone fractures, abuse, etc.

Read the article.
 
OK, I re-read the article and it doesn't say anything about bone fractures; just the statement "It also found no evidence that she was strangled or otherwise abused." That's not enough. Especially coming from a mainstream media organ like MSNBC. I'd like to read the coroner's actual report and listen to an interview before I'll accept it.
 
Apparently you'll get your chance:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05088/479125.stm

Although I'd say that "It also found no evidence that she was strangled or otherwise abused" suggests just that - that it found no evidence of abuse such as fractures, etc. Granted it doesn't detail how complex the autopsy was, but considering the public nature of the case, I really doubt they glossed it over.

Still - we'll see I gues.
 
I'm trying to follow the video of the Autopsy report on MSNBC but some of the lingo doesn't scan. Dr. B maybe can translate?
 
The last thing on the video was a pretty direct question to the examiner: "Was [she] abused?"
Examiner: "No"

Thats a pretty firm answer to make. I was expecting something more like, "There were no indications of abuse" not a rock solid "No"
 
Greebo said:
The last thing on the video was a pretty direct question to the examiner: "Was [she] abused?"
Examiner: "No"

Thats a pretty firm answer to make. I was expecting something more like, "There were no indications of abuse" not a rock solid "No"
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Murder is abuse, and she was murdered.
 
Two points, Joe:
1) Murder is a legal term, and under the law of Florida and the various courts all the way up to the Supreme Court, she was not murdered. She was legally killed. Whether or not the killing was moral or ethical isn't the same thing as whether it was murder.

2) The context of the questioning was clear that the abuse referral was for the time period prior to the removal of her feeding tube.
 
Greebo said:
Two points, Joe:
1) Murder is a legal term, and under the law of Florida and the various courts all the way up to the Supreme Court, she was not murdered. She was legally killed. Whether or not the killing was moral or ethical isn't the same thing as whether it was murder.

2) The context of the questioning was clear that the abuse referral was for the time period prior to the removal of her feeding tube.
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Murder is also a moral term, and she was murdered. The courts have no business ordering, allowing, or condoning the murder of our weak and helpless. Worse, she wasn't even murdered humanely. The terrorist who blew up our building in Oklahoma City was given a quick, clean, and merciful death, serial killers are given a quick, clean, and merciful death, but apparently those who support murdering the weak and helpless get their kicks out of starving them to death, think it is somehow moral to torture the defenseless for two weeks or more. Blowing her head off with a shotgun would have been more humane, than what we did to her.

Her death was a cruel, sadistic, heathen, butchery, and it was murder.
 
Theres no evidence she was ever abused. None whatsoever. As far as I am concerned the shindlers owe everybody in this country a big apology and especially to michael for all the lies they've perpetrated on him. They've accused him of everything in the book. It's all bs. They played on the publics emotions and boy did the suckers fall in line. Everything we believed about Terri's condition was true and then some. When my time comes and all hope is lost, i pray the righteous clowns don't come to save me!
 
You would think they could be specific. They know there is an issue about the alledged broken bones. They should just say something like,
a) she had no broken bones
b) she had one broken bone, the toe. It is known she broke her toe in a skiing accident when she was a kid
c) she the following five broken bones: toe, leg, arm, shoulder, finger. It is known she broke her toe in a skiing accident when she was a kid. The District Attorney is here to answer any further questions....
 
tom clark said:
Theres no evidence she was ever abused. None whatsoever. As far as I am concerned the shindlers owe everybody in this country a big apology and especially to michael for all the lies they've perpetrated on him. They've accused him of everything in the book. It's all bs. They played on the publics emotions and boy did the suckers fall in line. Everything we believed about Terri's condition was true and then some. When my time comes and all hope is lost, i pray the righteous clowns don't come to save me!
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All the Schindlers owe this nation, and all of us, is contempt. All they did was try to save their daughter's life. Attacking them is despicable. The so-called husband that you worship was and is a liar, and a cheat who walked out on the wife he butchered years ago.
 
Joe Williams said:
All the Schindlers owe this nation, and all of us, is contempt. All they did was try to save their daughter's life. Attacking them is despicable. The so-called husband that you worship was and is a liar, and a cheat who walked out on the wife he butchered years ago.
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butchered years ago? please elaborate. tc
 
Joe Williams said:
Murder is also a moral term,
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Not in the English Language, at least not according to any dictionary I've seen. Murder is: "1 : the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought".

In any case, clearly your position is unaffected.

Did you read the report? You mention starving to death - which the autopsy states wasn't the case. The cause of death was dehydration.

(Please refrain from inferring that I'm suggesting either is better than the other.)
 
Joe Williams said:
All the Schindlers owe this nation, and all of us, is contempt. All they did was try to save their daughter's life. Attacking them is despicable. The so-called husband that you worship was and is a liar, and a cheat who walked out on the wife he butchered years ago.
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According to the details of the autopsy report we have so far, there is no evidence to substantiate the claim that he had anything to do with her condition.

While we understand that you disagree with his argument to (kill her/let her die) I don't think that justifies finding him guilty of causing her condition without any evidence.
 
Greebo said:
Not in the English Language, at least not according to any dictionary I've seen. Murder is: "1 : the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought".

In any case, clearly your position is unaffected.

Did you read the report? You mention starving to death - which the autopsy states wasn't the case. The cause of death was dehydration.

(Please refrain from inferring that I'm suggesting either is better than the other.)
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I read the report. It's as irrelevant as whether it took her two weeks to starve to death or two weaks to dehydrate. You are right, my position is unaffected. This was a disgusting, hateful thing our society did, repugnant and immoral in every sense.
 
I think the report has relevence when it comes to the accusations levied against the husband. As to the actual cause of death, I agree - they removed the feeding tube, she died.

However - another point in the report points out that had she been fed orally, she would have died anyway. This to me reopens the question of wether, in her case, being on the feeding tube was tantamount to being on an artificial breather?

Sadly, without a living will, we'll never know what her real wishes were.
 
Greebo said:
This to me reopens the question of wether, in her case, being on the feeding tube was tantamount to being on an artificial breather?
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According to the US Supreme Court, yes.

Edit: You say in her case... Hrmm, I suppose I would say yes because with out it she died.
 
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