[NA rant] Lies for resumes

[BigBadLou]

The other threads about resumes reminded me that there are scammers/liars/a-holes on both sides of the fence.

Ever been surprised when you find a nice company with a good job posting and send in your resume that qualifies you very well and never hear a peep? Sure, that has become the norm nowadays.

Ever been even more surprised when you call the phone number and are told "oh, no no no, we do not have a job openings, we are just collecting resumes"?
Ever wanted to strangle a scammer/liar/a-hole who will make a lot of money selling your resume (along with hundreds of others) to recruiters/headhunters?

 

[Frogs97]

Man, the whole job search world doesn't make any sense to me. In July, we had a change in the C-suite, so senior management (VP of IT and the Director of IT - me) were whacked. Started looking around for positions and ran into the same crap. It didn't take me long to remember how much I hated the whole big corporate thing, anyways. So I spent the last half of my severence period working on starting my own company. Now some of the recruiters that never even called me back while I was searching and connecting are calling me to place candidates. Total jackwads.

 

[ktup-flyer]

That makes me mad. You'd think employers would at least have the decency to call back and say that it isn't going to work out.

 

[AggieMike88]

So I spent the last half of my severence period working on starting my own company.

What sort of shop did you setup?

And why aren't you joining us for Breakfast tomorrow?

 

[Frogs97]

What sort of shop did you setup?

Doing IT services for SMBs. Really focusing on managed services and information security. There are a ton of companies that are touting security, then when I ask what they do, their response is something like "Well, we put Webroot on the PCs and a Linksys firewall." So, yeah ... there's definitely a need for someone that knows what they are doing.

And why aren't you joining us for Breakfast tomorrow?

We had kids going two different directions this morning. My mother in law came in last night, so I was hoping she could help with the divide and conquer for the morning and let me go fly, but no such luck. Kinda mad, actually, it was a beautiful morning and looked like a great crew that went.

 

[Zeldman]

What about listing companies you have worked for that are now closed? Should it be noted on a resume that the business is now defunct?

 

[SkyDog58]

What about listing companies you have worked for that are now closed? Should it be noted on a resume that the business is now defunct?

I have both closed businesses and ones that have changed names on my resume. I just list them as they were when I worked there. It has never been an issue.

 

[Zeldman]

I have always wondered about that since companies come and go frequently, and there is no HR to give employment verification.

 

[paflyer]

The latest pile of crap is employers now want you to provide tax records or a pay stub to prove how much you made at a previous (or current) job.

 

[Acrodustertoo]

The latest pile of crap is employers now want you to provide tax records or a pay stub to prove how much you made at a previous (or current) job.

That is none of their business and I would tell them to pound sand followed by a letter from my lawyer explaining it in words they might understand.

 

[paflyer]

That is none of their business and I would tell them to pound sand followed by a letter from my lawyer explaining it in words they might understand.

Aaa, you ain't gettin' no job, know what I'm talkin' about?

 

[Acrodustertoo]

Aaa, you ain't gettin' no job, know what I'm talkin' about?

Nope! Next year I will have tenure! Then it is all good for me after that.

Besides, isn't asking yo provide what you used to make against every reason you look for a new job in the first place? You leave one company for another to make more money or better benny's right? Now they want you to prove what you made so they can what?

 

[paflyer]

Nope! Next year I will have tenure! Then it is all good for me after that.

Besides, isn't asking yo provide what you used to make against every reason you look for a new job in the first place? You leave one company for another to make more money or better benny's right? Now they want you to prove what you made so they can what?

Well it sounds like you don't work in the private sector. Let's just say that no one wants to pay you much more, if anything, than you are used to getting. This I discovered when my wife took up a contract job recently. My reaction was the same as yours, especially when they were asking for 1040's. F them, not in a million years. Poor saps who are out of work have little choice and comply, which emboldens the HR twits.

 

[SCCutler]

Sigh.

Paying good money, and it is very difficult to get applicants, much less qualified ones.

 

[abqtj]

The latest pile of crap is employers now want you to provide tax records or a pay stub to prove how much you made at a previous (or current) job.

Respond with "sure, I'll bring mine when you show me the W2 of the person who is in the position I'll be filling"


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[paflyer]

Sigh.

Paying good money, and it is very difficult to get applicants, much less qualified ones.

I hear this all the time. Then find out "good money" is from the employer's perspective, and the "qualifications" are written so basically no one on the planet can check all of the boxes- at least for the H1B wages being offered in exchange.

 

[GlennAB1]

Respond with "sure, I'll bring mine when you show me the W2 of the person who is in the position I'll be filling"

I think you mean: "the position you won't be filling"

 

[Acrodustertoo]

Sigh.

Paying good money, and it is very difficult to get applicants, much less qualified ones.

I hear more about the people who have already been hired that think showing up on time and doing any work is too much to ask. I had one of my ex students working for a good friend who owns a machine shop. I got a call couple months ago asking how he was doing. I asked him what he was talking about and it turns out that he was telling his boss that he had to leave early every day to go to school! The last two weeks on the job he put in a total of 11 hours!

I have advisory board meetings twice a year for my program and that is the biggest issue I hear about. This new generation seems to think that showing up on time, leaving on time and actually putting in the work is too much to ask. They are constantly on their phones, they do not communicate properly and the one that kills e is that they are asking for enormous raises after a month or two on the job!
I have one local outfit, who is a fortune 500 company and one of the best in the business at what they do, that attends my meetings. Their policy is that of a three strike rule, if you punch in 1 minute late or early three times you are gone. Period. I love it.

 

[BigBadLou]

This new generation seems to think that showing up on time, leaving on time and actually putting in the work is too much to ask. They are constantly on their phones, they do not communicate properly and the one that kills e is that they are asking for enormous raises after a month or two on the job!

I know exactly how that works. We have a new hire and I hear her phone periodically buzz on her desk, then some laughter, some typing and then it repeats. And when she's not watching YouTube videos and laughing hysterically, she is shopping for shoes. Our boss does nothing to correct it. He doesn't want to be slapped with a harassment suit. *shrug*

But then again, why am I posting this from work?

 

[Zeldman]

I asked a friend of mine, that used to be HR in a very large company before he was kicked upstairs, I asked him about seeing a prospects W-2. He said simple. To make sure we do not pee someone off with a offer lower than what he is making now, or say we can't match your last pay.

So I asked what if the prospect does not want to show his W-2. He said not a problem. We will make an offer that we feel would be what that person should be making in their career. He continued, I should explain that this is for executive positions, not fresh college graduates. We don't expect fresh college graduates to stay with us more than 3 years, but if they do and show a real commitment, then the raises will become better suited for someone we want to keep.

My friend was one of those fresh college graduates. He started at the bottom and worked up through the company eventually heading up the aviation department of the company. Several large business jets, their biggest was 2 or 3 757s made to carry the top executives very comfortably.

Then one day he suddenly quit without another job lined up, and now is the head of a charter company that does world wide charters. He keeps after me wanting to put me in a pilot seat. But I don't think this old Carhartt wearing redneck that drives a 10 year old truck and has empty longnecks in the trash can at the hanger would fit in with the champagne and caviar folks that spend more money on haircuts than I do on clothes....

 

[Acrodustertoo]

I know exactly how that works. We have a new hire and I hear her phone periodically buzz on her desk, then some laughter, some typing and then it repeats. And when she's not watching YouTube videos and laughing hysterically, she is shopping for shoes. Our boss does nothing to correct it. He doesn't want to be slapped with a harassment suit. *shrug*

But then again, why am I posting this from work?

Because you already have your work done and are enjoying the fruits of your labor with a bit of free time.

 

[deonb]

I hear this all the time. Then find out "good money" is from the employer's perspective, and the "qualifications" are written so basically no one on the planet can check all of the boxes- at least for the H1B wages being offered in exchange.

Must say I am totally in favor of the H1B wages being raised to $130k. The system as it is right now is utterly broken. (Disclaimer: I was an H1B myself many years back, and I have hired H1B's as well).

We had a highly qualified candidate that we hired last year - he dwarfs any H1B requirement. However because H1B's are oversubscribed he had to go into a lottery where the chance of winning was 25%. And there is only 1 day per year you can apply for an H1B visa. Now luckily for us he won the lottery, and luckily for us we recruited him 4 weeks before the magic application date, so it all worked out. If anything went differently we would have lost him.

It shouldn't have to work like that - you can't operate a business not knowing whether you can actually get the people you hire, and only being able to recruit for a one month period each year. We shouldn't have to compete highly qualified candidates against companies who use the H1B program to lower their cost of wages. (Though I must admit I have never seen that - in every situation I've been, H1B's have always been more expensive than local hires - but I believe it when I read that InfoSys & Tata is abusing it.)

Only thing is that I wished the $130k was more of an automatic feedback based pliable number, since these numbers tend to get stale after a few years and then we'll have the problem again. So if they we want to keep the visa numbers at 65'000 per year, figure out whatever salary cutoff would reach 65'000, and keep adjusting it every year.

I know the numbers favors Silicon Valley and Seattle recruiting though, so it's easy for me to say I don't care about the $130k cap since that's below our prevailing wage anyway, but that cap hits a company that's based in e.g. Austin higher. Maybe there should be a "cost of living" factor as well so that e.g. a $100k hire in one place is the equivalent of a $150k hire in another.

Either way $130k is far better than the 1 in 4 lottery mess we have right now.