[NA] Broken AC Question

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I should have specified that we'll call off spending large amounts of money on the HVAC.

I'm flying 10 or 11 hours on Saturday, so that'll be somewhere in the range of 300-350 gallons of sweet, sweet 100LL.
 
After working great for about a week, it quit working again last night shortly after I got home. So, out came the window unit (again). I then took a garden hose and sprayed water on the compressor, which was hot enough that it almost started making steam. After that, it worked for a few hours and quit again (once the downstairs zones shut off).

I realized that my son's dresser is located right up against the return in his room. I pulled it out a couple of inches this morning. Given how much of a difference opening that return vent in the basement made, it wouldn't surprise me if this was the rest of the issue.
 
Make sure the condenser fan is turning and staying on staying on. Cycle it a few times, with 3 or 4 minutes between cycles. I would check the contactor, look for burning or arced contacts and make sure all the electrical connections are tight.
 
Make sure the condenser fan is turning and staying on staying on. Cycle it a few times, with 3 or 4 minutes between cycles. I would check the contactor, look for burning or arced contacts and make sure all the electrical connections are tight.

Good thought. It is going on and staying on. I've heard it running the whole time when the compressor is dead.

Working now. This is the oddest compressor design...
 
I'd move.

We like our property. I'm just too cheap to throw over $10k at an air conditioner when I think I might be able to fix it for free.
 
We like our property. I'm just too cheap to throw over $10k at an air conditioner when I think I might be able to fix it for free.
Yeah, you have a great place.

I hope it gets resolved soon, it's supposed to start getting more hotter.

A buddy of mine kept trying to nurse his A/C "just one more year!" by laying out a hose with a misting attachment to spray on the outer coils to help with cooling during the hottest days of the year.
 
Check all the electrical connections from the breaker inside to the compressor. A loose connection or burned contacted will cause too much resistance which can strain the compressor and burn it out. Turn the breaker off at the panel and pull hard on each wire. Anything loose is a problem. Don't get electrocuted make sure the power is off.
 
A buddy of mine kept trying to nurse his A/C "just one more year!" by laying out a hose with a misting attachment to spray on the outer coils to help with cooling during the hottest days of the year.

The AC tech who came out had mentioned that as an option. I think that I would generally avoid doing, but if the problem is that I've not given the system the airflow it needs... then it's my own fault.
 
Not sure who you used down there.

I used to use these guys a lot for HVAC checkups and minor things. I never needed repairs from them, that I can remember, but they always seemed to have competent techs:

http://www.nealharrisserviceexperts.com/

Last time I DID need repairs, troubleshooting, and replacements, I used these guys. I called them a couple seasons in a row when my A/C was starting to die. I talked with 2 or 3 different techs at various times and they all seemed pretty good at what they do:

http://santafeair.com/
 
Solution (at least seemingly so):

The other day the home warranty company sent out a tech after the air conditioner quit working again. This tech determined conclusively that the evaporator coil (inside) and the expansion valve (or whatever you call it on these setups - the part that regulates the difference between the high side and the low side) are both bad. He then said those are "expensive parts" and when that happens, they just offer a "significant discount" on a new unit. Fine, I'll listen to your dog and pony show, but they need to send a guy out to talk about this to me. Why can't I talk about it the phone? No idea.

I had an appointment at 9 AM this morning with the home warranty guy who was supposed to price me a new system. At 9:40, he hadn't shown up yet, so I call up and ask where he is. "Oh, he can still come to see you sometime today." "No, I had an appointment for 9 AM. Sometime today isn't good enough, where is he? I need to get to work." "I'll have him call you immediately." So 5 minutes later he calls, and says he can be here in 40 minutes. He realizes I'm agitated (mostly because I explain that I'm extremely agitated), and we start talking pricing over the phone (which is what I wanted to do in the first place earlier this week).

The home warranty caps out at $2k worth of repairs, which this issue easily falls into. So I'm figuring they'll offer at least $2k off a new system, and should offer a bit more (the technician wasn't aware of the specific numbers, hence why I had to talk to a service adviser). Nope. $1,000 if you just replace the outdoor condenser, and $1,500 if you replace the condenser and air handler. So basically, they offer THEMSELVES a great discount on not having to fulfill the warranty that they've been paid for if I go with a new system. I didn't bother pointing out the faulty math involved here, but did point out my own knowledge of air conditioning from the automotive world, and that having looked at the system, this looks like a painfully easy process compared to the crap I had to do on Jaguars back around the turn of the century.

Me: "So the home warranty will cover fixing the two items that are actually broken?"
SA: "That's right. But your system is 8 years old, and typically these only last 15 years so you're really at the point where fixing it doesn't make sense."
Me: "Just fix what's broken. I'm not buying a new system."

At least he didn't argue with me. But, I am not impressed with their tactics, nor with the fact that I had to stay home for 2.5 hours this morning to ultimately have a 10 minute phone call, which I could (and should have) had days ago with the same end result.

Regardless, parts are supposed to be ordered today, fixed in 1-2 weeks. Sigh.
 
Ted:

You're being a Rick-rolled, still.

I have several clients who routinely do work in the home warranty space, and it is unusual to have to wait even one day for parts as routine and ordinary as an evaporator coil and expansion valve. Honestly, the should have it in stock locally, but if they don't, the warranty company should be able to get it to them overnight.

This kind of delay is intolerable, and you should immediately contact the warranty company and escalate the problem.

Just my $.02.
 
The time seemed too long to me, as well. I was supposed to get a call later today with the estimated time for arrival. I'll escalate it at that point if it's an unacceptable number.

This is really a good reason to buy a bigger boat with air conditioning. :D
 
The time seemed too long to me, as well. I was supposed to get a call later today with the estimated time for arrival. I'll escalate it at that point if it's an unacceptable number.

This is really a good reason to buy a bigger boat with air conditioning. :D

In all seriousness (shocking!) when you do replace your system this is the main reason I'd consider dual units and zones. I don't care how good the warranty (and company) is, you're still without A/C for 1+ days when it breaks.

John
 
In all seriousness (shocking!) when you do replace your system this is the main reason I'd consider dual units and zones. I don't care how good the warranty (and company) is, you're still without A/C for 1+ days when it breaks.

John
Is not having AC for a couple days every 15 years or so worth thousands of dollars? It isn't to me...
 
Is not having AC for a couple days every 15 years or so worth thousands of dollars? It isn't to me...

Having had 3 compressors replaced in 10 years followed by a condenser fan, in sunny central Florida where we use the A/C 11 months of the year, yeah it is to me. But I've got a redundant system in the MIL suite which couldn't have been driven from the existing one anyway, so I may be jaded.

It certainly depends on the incremental cost and value to you personally.

And yeah, the original A/C folks who installed my system(s) sucked. Wasn't my choice, the GC chose them.

John
 
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