Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020

bluesideup said:
How much of it is done in USA? It seems like all / most is developed by Asobo Studio and we no longer have the capacity to write code any longer, we gave most of our production to China now we are giving our software developing to others. Yes, I know it's less expensive, that's exactly how the retarded CEOs started with the production and assembly lines 25 years ago.
It is disappointing to see that they are prioritizing the game aspect, multi player, and having the IFR code on back burner.
I've been in the simulators, and Real world flying, since 1976 and never had the need, or used, multi player a complete waste of time and effort in my opinion. I hope someone will analyze the direction and refocus their priorities.
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As a software engineer by trade, I can tell you with certainty that the US (and the SF Bay Area) is still the global leader for developing quality software. Yeah, this one isn't made here. Yes, the French have a strong software industry. Doesn't touch ours. Doesn't mean we can't lose it and that someone else can't eat our lunch, but it's not here yet. We've been "outsourcing" software to many markets for decades. Unlike manufacturing, it doesn't stick; it keeps coming back here. I don't fully understand why...the best and brightest around me include folks from every one of those economies. But I think that's actually it: there's a magic that comes with collecting the huge talent in the world into one place and watching it bloom. Even in a virtual world, location and closeness matter.
 
If I had the alpha and a computer with those recommended specs, I would tell you that those should be the minimum specs... assuming no major optimization is being done prior to release.
 
I’ve been thinking to build a computer to run this, what’s a decent place to buy? Or should I just build a desktop? Trying to stay under 3k, if possible. Is it CPU or GPU limited?
 
alaskan9974 said:
I’ve been thinking to build a computer to run this, what’s a decent place to buy? Or should I just build a desktop? Trying to stay under 3k, if possible. Is it CPU or GPU limited?
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Going to be hard to get 2 petabytes of storage with that budget. :D
 
Got accepted to the Alpha! :cheers:


It's got a long way to go :redface:
 
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alaskan9974 said:
I’ve been thinking to build a computer to run this, what’s a decent place to buy? Or should I just build a desktop? Trying to stay under 3k, if possible. Is it CPU or GPU limited?
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You can absolutely stay under $3k.

https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/nvttt6/enthusiast-intel-gamingstreaming-build

https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/dQscCJ/magnificent-intel-gamingstreaming-build

I'm probably right at $3k into my computer build (we won't talk about everything else I've built :eek2: ) with a 2080ti and an i7-8700 cpu and I'm running the Alpha with everything on Ultra settings and seeing over 40+ FPS average, over 50 FPS if the weather is clear. Was flying through some weather last night and it dipped down into the high 20's momentarily when I was coming into Houston through rain.
 
Holy cow. At that rate might as well get a Redbird to log actual hours!!

Any hints as to multiplayer or missions in MS2020?

I own MSFX and really enjoyed most of the missions. And Machado was a fun add.

I currently have xplane11 loaded on my home built PC and it’s okay. Great for IFR practice which is the rating I’m chasing right now but on hold a bit.

My rig is about 5 years old and was built to a mid-grade level at that time. I have since updated the graphics card, added some memory and loaded xplane on an SSD while the OS is on an HDD.
 
The biggest problem is the bloated windows os you have to use, you should not need even a $2000 computer to run a simulator.
 
Sierra_Hotel said:
You can absolutely stay under $3k.

https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/nvttt6/enthusiast-intel-gamingstreaming-build

https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/dQscCJ/magnificent-intel-gamingstreaming-build

I'm probably right at $3k into my computer build (we won't talk about everything else I've built :eek2: ) with a 2080ti and an i7-8700 cpu and I'm running the Alpha with everything on Ultra settings and seeing over 40+ FPS average, over 50 FPS if the weather is clear. Was flying through some weather last night and it dipped down into the high 20's momentarily when I was coming into Houston through rain.
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Im sure you are limited in how much you can say, but can you address the bandwidth requirements? Im perfectly willing to spend a couple amu's on a computer, but there's no way for need to get more than about 5gbit/s internet out here, and im afraid that will count me out.

Im also not a fan of subscription models, which I"m assuming it will be, but we'll see what they do with that.
 
woodchucker said:
Holy cow. At that rate might as well get a Redbird to log actual hours!!

Any hints as to multiplayer or missions in MS2020?

I own MSFX and really enjoyed most of the missions. And Machado was a fun add.

I currently have xplane11 loaded on my home built PC and it’s okay. Great for IFR practice which is the rating I’m chasing right now but on hold a bit.

My rig is about 5 years old and was built to a mid-grade level at that time. I have since updated the graphics card, added some memory and loaded xplane on an SSD while the OS is on an HDD.
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Downside to the Redbird is that you can't fly a Cub from grass strips one day and a 777 from San Francisco to Tokyo the next on the same machine. They're different goals and each have their place.

I put my machine together for about $2500, not counting the RealSimGear GTN, GNC and G5 add-ons. Put everything on one large SSD and it's very quick. The GPU tends to be a bottleneck so I'll probably put the GTN and G5s on a separate videocard though I won't need the 2080 for that.
 
See post #42 for the link to the specs you need. I recommend staying away from the lower specs.
 
flyer770 said:
Downside to the Redbird is that you can't fly a Cub from grass strips one day and a 777 from San Francisco to Tokyo the next on the same machine. They're different goals and each have their place.

I put my machine together for about $2500, not counting the RealSimGear GTN, GNC and G5 add-ons. Put everything on one large SSD and it's very quick. The GPU tends to be a bottleneck so I'll probably put the GTN and G5s on a separate videocard though I won't need the 2080 for that.
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How is the RealSimGear stuff? I’m looking at the GNS430. Plug and play? Works like as if you were in the aircraft?

Looks like it could be a nice training add on, but pricey. And yes, I understand the Redbird pros and cons. Being able to log approaches from home is a nice benefit. But of course enjoying some fun stuff in a sim is something entirely different. I also own the MS combat sims as well but haven’t played them in years. Nothing like some carrier action in the Pacific while shooting down Zeros.
 
Jim K said:
Im sure you are limited in how much you can say, but can you address the bandwidth requirements? Im perfectly willing to spend a couple amu's on a computer, but there's no way for need to get more than about 5gbit/s internet out here, and im afraid that will count me out.

Im also not a fan of subscription models, which I"m assuming it will be, but we'll see what they do with that.
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Everything i've seen so far is that there won't be a subscription necessary or even a continuous internet connection to play the game. Some of the early build information very clearly stated it will have a certain level of detail included that won't require streaming. Haven't seen what that's going to look like, though.

So far I haven't had any streaming issues, though, and I don't have a blazing fast connection, either.
 
woodchucker said:
How is the RealSimGear stuff? I’m looking at the GNS430. Plug and play? Works like as if you were in the aircraft?

Looks like it could be a nice training add on, but pricey. And yes, I understand the Redbird pros and cons. Being able to log approaches from home is a nice benefit. But of course enjoying some fun stuff in a sim is something entirely different. I also own the MS combat sims as well but haven’t played them in years. Nothing like some carrier action in the Pacific while shooting down Zeros.
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I just got the Real Sim Gear GNS430 this week and it's fantastic. So far I've tried it with the built-in Xplane 430 and got the Reality XP one as well. Had some minor setup issues I needed to e-mail them about but they responded immediately and got it working. It's spot on. Because it's an pop-out window I was a little concerned it was going to be something you'd have to pop-out, drag to the GNS, resize, etc. for every flight, but at least with the RXP plug-in it's persistent. My only "gripes" if they are such are the lack of a power switch and the placement of the USB-B connector. I ordered a right-angle connector so the plug isn't sticking out the side. Right now I have it mounted in their GNS430 mounting bracket on top of a logitech radio.
 
woodchucker said:
Holy cow. At that rate might as well get a Redbird to log actual hours!!

Any hints as to multiplayer or missions in MS2020?

I own MSFX and really enjoyed most of the missions. And Machado was a fun add.

I currently have xplane11 loaded on my home built PC and it’s okay. Great for IFR practice which is the rating I’m chasing right now but on hold a bit.

My rig is about 5 years old and was built to a mid-grade level at that time. I have since updated the graphics card, added some memory and loaded xplane on an SSD while the OS is on an HDD.
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Multiplayer is being implemented now, and there are already some rudimentary missions included.

For comparison, the cheapest FAA approved Redbird is $7k https://simulators.redbirdflight.com/products/td :dunno:

IFR practice for the CFII is the same reason I built the setup I have. The only thing left to do is start using PilotEdge for real ATC and it's as real as one can get without being in a plane.
 
MooneyDriver78 said:
The biggest problem is the bloated windows os you have to use, you should not need even a $2000 computer to run a simulator.
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It has nothing to do with the OS. The largest single cost in any modern gaming rig is the graphics card.
 
So, when will it be ready for the mass market?
 
Public comments I've seen have suggested around the end of the year or early Q4. I don't think that's too unrealistic for a basic release.
 
woodchucker said:
How is the RealSimGear stuff? I’m looking at the GNS430. Plug and play? Works like as if you were in the aircraft?

Looks like it could be a nice training add on, but pricey. And yes, I understand the Redbird pros and cons. Being able to log approaches from home is a nice benefit. But of course enjoying some fun stuff in a sim is something entirely different. I also own the MS combat sims as well but haven’t played them in years. Nothing like some carrier action in the Pacific while shooting down Zeros.
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I really like the Realsimgear stuff. I haven’t flown with the real GTNs, just played around a bit at work, but they really seem to do just fine. The only thing the simulator won’t do is pinch and zoom. With the GTN you do need to buy an add on as XPlane doesn’t have that integrated. With a Realsimgear GNS 430 you can use the one in X Plane and it’ll work great.

Sierra_Hotel said:
Multiplayer is being implemented now, and there are already some rudimentary missions included.

For comparison, the cheapest FAA approved Redbird is $7k https://simulators.redbirdflight.com/products/td :dunno:

IFR practice for the CFII is the same reason I built the setup I have. The only thing left to do is start using PilotEdge for real ATC and it's as real as one can get without being in a plane.
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$7k for the basic box? At that price you can go whole hog with a wraparound monitor arrangement, Realsimgear GPSs, and force feedback controls and might have change left over. Probably certify it too. And it’ll still have flexibility over the Redbirds. Can Pilot Edge even run on Redbird?
 
That's pretty much the thinking that led me down the rabbit hole I'm in :lol: No clue if they can use PilotEdge, I would think so. I don't know how locked down they are or what comes stock on them.
 
Redbird uses P3D, but adding on Pilot Edge might take it out of the BATD category. Pretty sure it would have to be baked in from the factory.
 
Episode 8 has been released. It is all about the IRF capabilities. While most of it focuses on using it in the Airbus 320, there are also a few moments on smaller airplanes as well. Since I don't fly large airplanes I would love to hear what others say about this video.

 
Someone should introduce Microsoft to the AIM. Specifically Paragraph 4-2-9.

"Climb and maintain Ten Thousand" indeed...
 
That's nice. But does it have the Max in it?
 
jallen0 said:
Episode 8 has been released. It is all about the IRF capabilities. While most of it focuses on using it in the Airbus 320, there are also a few moments on smaller airplanes as well. Since I don't fly large airplanes I would love to hear what others say about this video.

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I was pretty impressed with IFR overall. No glaring mistakes/errors besides the ATC phraseology already pointed out.
 
How is the weather going to look in MSFS? How do they make it? How realistic will it be? Answers in this weeks update.


The other bit of information is that Alpha 4 has been released. Lots of work on the 747 panels and more flight model updates.
 
flyer770 said:
Redbird uses P3D, but adding on Pilot Edge might take it out of the BATD category. Pretty sure it would have to be baked in from the factory.
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It's included in their QAG for the BATD. It doesn't affect the BATD certification.
 
Man I am stoked. I will have to buy a computer, I want this thing running top notch. What is an AMU? I also wonder what an "Enhanced airport" is, and what the additional aircraft are. I wonder what version is best. Any recommendations on Computers? I don't know much about that stuff.
 
Mtns2Skies said:
Aviation Monetary Unit = $1000
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LOL fair enough... the recommended specs don't look too bad? But yeah, I am anticipating dropping some coin... whatever, gives me something to do this winter lol. The list of aircraft is interesting, clearly Euro influenced, unlike past versions. Kind of neat, get to try something new... hope they are modeled well!
 
I have a pretty good system - Aorus Master mobo, i9-9900k with liquid cooler, 1080Ti with 11GB VRAM, 32 GB RAM, 1TB SSD... So I think I'll be able to run it with pretty high settings. The only problem is I only use sims in VR. And I don't think this has VR support for the initial release. Or did I miss something?
 
Sierra_Hotel said:
Public comments I've seen have suggested around the end of the year or early Q4. I don't think that's too unrealistic for a basic release.
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Public alpha may come in Q3 from what I've heard
 
Deelee said:
I have a pretty good system - Aorus Master mobo, i9-9900k with liquid cooler, 1080Ti with 11GB VRAM, 32 GB RAM, 1TB SSD... So I think I'll be able to run it with pretty high settings. The only problem is I only use sims in VR. And I don't think this has VR support for the initial release. Or did I miss something?
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No VR initially unless you use something like Vorpx, though the developers have said they're working on it..

What headset do you use? I tried a Rift CV1 in Xplane and was pretty disappointed in it. Waiting on the next gen headsets before I get back into it.
 
Instead of AMU, I also use a smaller subunit if AFH or Aviation Flying Hour. The value is custom for each pilot, for me it is roughly 1/7th of an AMU. If you’re talking about something under $1000, it’s also useful to compare how many flight hours you could buy.
 
What?! Just like X-Plane, The new Microsoft simulator does not have a steam gauge Cessna 182. In fact no 192 at all. Absolutely nuts.
 
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