Man Slaps Crying Two Year Old In Flight

[Swampfox201]

Pretty much sums up this thread. If you have kids you empathize with the parents, if you don't have kids you don't get it.

This thread is going to turn into a big ****ing match here shortly but Geico summed it up best.

Having kids changes your life and your way of thinking. Having kids does not make me a better person than those who don't but when you have kids the things that are important in life are totally different and in many ways incompatible with those who don't have kids.

 

[Swampfox201]

SkyHog I'm going to pick on you just because I saw what you wrote in 2007 in a thread that mirrors this one.

Here is the thread and I've took Skyhog's comments from the first 7 posts

http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11782


In the above thread you wrote:

I agree. Get them all off the plane. Children can be controlled, easily, it just takes a parent who is not afraid to punish their child when they misbehave. Maybe the movie theaters are next. Would be nice to see a movie without hearing a screaming kid that the parent is doing NOTHING about.

Get 'em off the airlines, get 'em out of the theaters. Teach parents that physical punishment works.

I think a letter congratulating the airline's deicison is in order.

and

Well, point taken - but if the kids aren't behaving, you're not being aggressive enough. It is possible to be physical without abusive. Unfortunately, today's society seems to not understand that and cries abuse anytime a child is struck.

Now compare that to what you wrote today.

Fantastic - you have a very well mannered child. I'm sorry, but unless you learned some sort of pre-natal technique to affect their disposition, no parent can affect a child's behavior at 11 months aside from telling them "no" and maybe swatting their hand if they touch something they are not supposed to.

Babies can't tell you what's wrong, or why they hurt, so their only option is to cry. Sounds like your child has not had a lot of pain (gas, teething, etc.), and you should be very happy that's the case. But I can guarantee you that its not because you are a better parent than I am, certainly not at 11 months. If you want to compare notes when our children are both 3 or 4 years old, then we can talk. Right now, you're just lucky.

Hmmm either someone else is using your screen name or you had a baby since 2007! :wink2:

The only reason I'm picking on you is to prove a point. Having kids changes people and the views non parents have of children changes when they themselves become parents.

 

[dell30rb]

Originally Posted by SkyHog
Well, point taken - but if the kids aren't behaving, you're not being aggressive enough. It is possible to be physical without abusive. Unfortunately, today's society seems to not understand that and cries abuse anytime a child is struck.

Originally Posted by SkyHog
I agree. Get them all off the plane. Children can be controlled, easily, it just takes a parent who is not afraid to punish their child when they misbehave. Maybe the movie theaters are next. Would be nice to see a movie without hearing a screaming kid that the parent is doing NOTHING about.

Get 'em off the airlines, get 'em out of the theaters. Teach parents that physical punishment works.

I think a letter congratulating the airline's deicison is in order.

SwampFox, I don't think he was talking about disciplining 11 month old infants here. More like 3-4 year old kids. That thread was about a 3 year old that threw a tantrum. Not crib-critters

 

[bluee]

Fantastic - you have a very well mannered child. I'm sorry, but unless you learned some sort of pre-natal technique to affect their disposition, no parent can affect a child's behavior at 11 months aside from telling them "no" and maybe swatting their hand if they touch something they are not supposed to.

Babies can't tell you what's wrong, or why they hurt, so their only option is to cry. Sounds like your child has not had a lot of pain (gas, teething, etc.), and you should be very happy that's the case. But I can guarantee you that its not because you are a better parent than I am, certainly not at 11 months. If you want to compare notes when our children are both 3 or 4 years old, then we can talk. Right now, you're just lucky.

No need to be snarky. You can affect your child's behavior by anticipating what he/she needs or wants and having it ready before the child cries. I was also told that fish oil for babies is very good for brain development and mood enhancement. Try that. I also take my kid out for lunch once a week so she gets used to going out to different restaurants and places. She loves it.

 

[Ghery]

Kids have trouble clearing ears. And little ones don't have the communications skills to make their discomfort known, so they cry. There are, however, behaviors that parents need not tolerate. Kicking seat backs is one of them.

I remember the first time my son (now 36) traveled by air. We were flying from Denver to Pullman for Christmas in 1979. That was the plan, anyway. Plenty of snow in Denver and all flights were being delayed. We were about 5 hours late departing due to delays getting a plane into Denver for our flight. This was the perfect opportunity for a 3 year old to act like a 3 year old and get away with it. Instead, he behaved perfectly in the termninal. My wife and I just looked at each other in amazement. When the flight finally boarded we did not use a jetway, but walked out to the plane and up the stairs. It was at this point that I think he finally realized that he wasn't just seeing Daddy off on another trip, but that he was going too. You've never seen a kid's eyes get so big. We got on the plane and buckled him in. Window seat. The plane took off and he looked out the window. Then he looked at me. Then he looked out the window. A couple repetitions and then, "Daddy! I flying!". FAs came around later with softdrinks and peanuts. Next thing we knew he's eating peanuts and looking out the window like he'd been flying his whole life. For the next 10+ years I had better not come home without the airline peanuts. He KNEW that a flight meant snacks.

At the other end of the spectrum, my wife and I were on a trans-con about 12 years ago. She had the window seat, I had the aisle seat and the middle was empty. Up until just before they closed the doors. Then a woman got on with two toddlers and a 6th grader. 2 empty seats on the plane, the middle seat between us and the aisle seat across from us. The 6th grader and one toddler took the middle seat and the woman and the other toddler took the aisle seat across from me. For a good portion of the flight I was treated to toddlers with loaded diapers being passed over me. I spent a good portion of the remainder of the flight in the back talking with the FAs. Yuck. Fortunately, when we got to JFK they didn't get on our connecting flight to LHR. Oh, and this was in the days before a Premier Exective could sponsor a companion up into E+, so in addition to the "in flight entertainment" I had minimal legroom. At least that won't happen again.

Back to the original issue - if it is as told, this guy was out of line. I like my peace and quiet as much as anyone, but babies are going to cry. It comes with the territory. And if someone had laid a hand on one of ours, it would have been the last mistake he made.

 

[Tony_Scarpelli]

You know of some way to have my 11 month old child trained to behave well in public that I haven't figured out somehow or are you being intentionally obtuse?

I've heard whisky works on the kid. Apparently calling him a ****** and slapping him does too.

If they prove that he has bigger problems than assault. I think violating someones civil rights is a bigger problem...although both are probably feloneys on an aircraft.

I think had he pushed the attendant button it might have solved the problem or had he pushed the button 2, 3 or 4 times until the problem was resolved it might have worked it self out. He might have been seated some place else. Had he complained and nothing was done about it as far as the airlines that is a mitigating circumstance in my view.

I have mixed feelings. First if anyone ever hits one of my kid/grandkids we got bigger problems like how the hell are you going to get off of the plane in one piece. With that said yes the flight is only 3 hrs, but you can train kids to behave. The 2 year old should not be walking up down the ilse slobbering on other people or being a PITA. Like i said that is what the attendant call button is for.

Even when kids are brought up with good manners, a 2 year old gets tired and the only thing you can do is get it to take a nap. This is a case of exceedingly bad parenting as a minimum. I don't know but it sounds like ALL sides are at fault.....the mother, the airline and the passenger.

Any of the three could have prevented this action.

 

[Tony_Scarpelli]

I saw an interview with the (woman) the other day and she clearly said " he leaned over and whispered in my ear the N word"..... Surrounding pax could not hear that and it is a he said /she said complaint..... Also, not one pax witness has come forward to tell their story to the media either... The guy could have been a real ****ole.............. or the woman is looking for some fast cash..... I give it 50 /50 on who was wrong..

Now this is subject to lies by her. She is clearly ****ed with right to be....can't say I would believe anything she said noone else heard. We already know she is a bad mother.

 

[N5922S]

I have two children 13/9. Their first flight in 2008 after PP and every flight since has been with me as Captain. My wife and I have been tortured by screaming babies/toddlers before having our own at 30 yrs old. We did not take our children to restaurants or movies for several years, because we respected other people too much. Sure as heck would not take them on an airliner. Babies often have equalization problems. If one of ours did get out of control after that, we escorted them away from the area as quickly as possible. And no, a two year old cannot be taught to behave(act a certain way) in public for more than a few minutes.

This works in our plane when the kids start acting up. Honey, I think we are going to climb to 12,500' or 13,500' for "cooler air". O2 not required to be offered to passengers until 15,000'. If we are planning on going high, we all have cannulas on before takeoff. They get plugged in as necessary.

Provide a sealed off section just for parents with children and allow cabin pressure to go on up to 14,999' and keep everyone else at 8,000'. Now I know why our German friends put diluted beer in the baby bottles.

Love ya, man.

 

[PPC1052]

If they prove that he has bigger problems than assault. I think violating someones civil rights is a bigger problem...although both are probably feloneys on an aircraft.

Calling someone the n-word is not a violation of their civil rights, and is not a felony; at least not yet.

Of course, it is rude, inappropriate, and might result in an ass-kicking.

 

[SkyHog]

SkyHog I'm going to pick on you just because I saw what you wrote in 2007 in a thread that mirrors this one.

Here is the thread and I've took Skyhog's comments from the first 7 posts

http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11782


In the above thread you wrote:


and



Now compare that to what you wrote today.



Hmmm either someone else is using your screen name or you had a baby since 2007! :wink2:

The only reason I'm picking on you is to prove a point. Having kids changes people and the views non parents have of children changes when they themselves become parents.

In defense of myself, 11 months is quite different from a 3 year old. I alluded to that in my earlier post where I said we could compare notes in 3-4 years. If a child is being that obnoxious at 3 years old, there's a parenting problem. At 11 months, its just a matter of the child not being able to express himself.

Although - I did have a child 11 months ago

 

[us AAirways]

My wife and I are very new parents. Our daughter was 5 months old when Christmas rolled around and we needed to fly home to see my parents.

We will/would do anything to keep our daughter quiet on the plane. We boarded the plane at 7:30am and then sat on the jetway and then the taxiway until 11:30am without taking off.

We did what I considered the be a phenomenal job of keeping our baby girl quiet. That being said, if you are single/married/no kids and get super upset about a baby crying on a plane, you will get what is coming to you!

Bottom line is nobody loves to listen to a crying baby, but if you really believe I shouldn't take my baby girl to see her grandparent's for the first time so that you don't have to listen to a baby cry for 3 minutes, **** off.

I remember being single or even married without kids and I hated listening to a baby cry on an airplane. Now I understand there are much more important things in life than myself having a pristine quiet flight for an hour or two.

And what exactly is it that we "....have coming to us"?

 

[redlineshifts]

And what exactly is it that we "....have coming to us"?

I just meant that I used to not understand and was irritated by a baby being upset on a plane. I now understand what those parents were going through as will most people once they have children.

We came very prepared and kept her very quiet for the FIVE hours we ended up sitting on the plane ON THE RUNWAY without taking off. That being said, when a baby decides to be upset, there can be nothing you can do about it while sitting on a plane sometimes.

 

[Tony_Scarpelli]

We don't like children acting up near us, we don't like fat people near us, we don't like people smelling like curry or pacular foods...

What this says is that flying has become like steerage we are being forced in too close of proximity to other people which violates our space and makes us miserable.

Yeay for GA or driving the family car. Screw TSA and commercial aviation. As for you poor bastards who have to fly for your jobs, I hope they pay you enough to make it worth it.

 

[Tony_Scarpelli]

I just meant that I used to not understand and was irritated by a baby being upset on a plane. I now understand what those parents were going through as will most people once they have children.

We came very prepared and kept her very quiet for the FIVE hours we ended up sitting on the plane ON THE RUNWAY without taking off. That being said, when a baby decides to be upset, there can be nothing you can do about it while sitting on a plane sometimes.

I agree, however baby tylenol helps with any pain and puts them to sleep.

The only time my children or grand children have acted uncontrollable around other people was when we keep them up long past their nap time. It is a parenting issue more than anything else. No matter where we were when our grand baby started getting grouchy it was time to go home so she can get her nap. Almost always she was asleep before we got to the front door. Children that young need naps.

 

[weilke]

My kids have more frequent flyer miles than I had up to my 30th birthday. The only meltdowns we ever had was 6-7hrs into transatlantic flights and sometimes on descent. There is nothing I could do about one of them crying, I won't however tolerate misbehaving.

 

[denverpilot]

Waah. C'mon folks look at the brightside crying babies sell GA. We need more crying babies on airliners more, more, more.

Crying babies sell birth control. LOL!

 

[wickedsprint]

Crying babies sell birth control. LOL!

My daughter is proof that birth control is not 100% .

Blessings come in all shapes and sizes.

 

[N801BH]

My daughter is proof that birth control is not 100% .

Blessings come in all shapes and sizes.

And that is the blessing of living in the United States of America... You had a choice to use birth control, when that failed you had a choice of terminating the pregnancy. You decided to continue and have a kid....

Choices are GOOD.........................

Having a loud shouting, small sector telling people what they can do with their bodies are BAD.....

 

[woodstock]

There is so much noise in an airplane anyway, that unless a baby is within a few seats of me (front, back, or sideways) it's all white noise - I don't hear it. How bad can it be?

 

[EdFred]

There is so much noise in an airplane anyway, that unless a baby is within a few seats of me (front, back, or sideways) it's all white noise - I don't hear it. How bad can it be?

Well that's because you're sitting in the upper level of the '47.

 

[wickedsprint]

And that is the blessing of living in the United States of America... You had a choice to use birth control, when that failed you had a choice of terminating the pregnancy. You decided to continue and have a kid....

Choices are GOOD.........................

Having a loud shouting, small sector telling people what they can do with their bodies are BAD.....

Valid.

 

[jtheune]

And that is the blessing of living in the United States of America... You had a choice to use birth control, when that failed you had a choice of terminating the pregnancy. You decided to continue and have a kid....

Choices are GOOD.........................

Having a loud shouting, small sector telling people what they can do with their bodies are BAD.....

Of course they are just trying to loudly speak up for those who cant speak for themselves.

 

[Florida Cracker]

Of course they are just trying to loudly speak up for those who cant speak for themselves.

To a leftist, that statement is racist, sexist, homophobic and misogynistic.

To a conservative it's perfectly good sense.

 

[us AAirways]

How well do the Bose headphones work if a screaming kid was next to you?

 

[N801BH]

How well do the Bose headphones work if a screaming kid was next to you?

A 6 inch long piece of duct tape placed acroos the mouth of the whining kid works ALOT better...............

Jus kiddin........................ Calm down,, all of you...