lowest altitude route

I think I've got most of what I need. Let's end this thread!

Thanks for all the suggestions.
 
DouglasBader said:
I did not. Your inability to speak for yourself and to put words in other's mouths does not change that. I didn't lie. I don't. I won't.
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Here's what you wrote: Originally Posted by DouglasBader
Apparently you're just one of those folks that has a hard time understanding going around the hill. Fair enough. Not everyone can think for themselves.

Now you can weasel all you want but that clearly is you typing that I can't think for myself. Perhaps you are unintelligent enough to believe that you can tell us that you were just typing "Not everyone can think for themselves" out of the blue but the audience knows better.

At this point your credibility is shot. What exactly did you hope to achieve?
 
I just computed some numbers, and determined that if the OP prints this thread out he can build a ramp and just taxi over the ridge at the Eisenhower Tunnel. Problem solved.
 
Threefingeredjack said:
I just computed some numbers, and determined that if the OP prints this thread out he can build a ramp and just taxi over the ridge at the Eisenhower Tunnel. Problem solved.
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LOL! Steep ramp. We better make a few more pages so he can build a runaway truck ramp. :)
 
Threefingeredjack said:
I'll admit I rounded up at every opportunity. :D I'm assuming the runaway will be made of crumpled paper??
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Will crumpled paper support a 172? I'm thinkin' this will need an engineering study and FAA approval before it's attempted. Of course if it's already been done somewhere maybe we could just get a field approval. Got any examples laying around? I'm sure you've seen plenty of paperwork when flying for US.
 
Now you can weasel all you want but that clearly is you typing that I can't think for myself.
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You've done it again.

I didn't say that. (you just quoted me saying that you didn't speak for yourself not think for yourself: do you bother to read what you type??). You've got a comprehension problem.

I said you should think for yourself rather than putting words in others mouths, but you didn't think for yourself: you tried putting words in my mouth again, didn't you? You did.

Point proven.

When you're ready to speak for yourself, try again. You've been unable thus far, but there's hope.

Doug is just too far advanced and above all of us lowly "uncomprehending" pilots who offered real routes and who recommended things like mountain flying coursework for big words like "orographic lift" and flights with instructors who actually demonstrate it.
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If you say so. Do you need a dictionary? Shall we stick to one-syllable words to help you out? If you can manage to fly an airplane, you should be a little smarter than that, shouldn't you?
 
Why don't you just say what you really meant by "follow 70 and go around the hill" ?

Or is that too difficult of a concept? You have dodged every follow up question, back-pedaled and done everything to avoid a straight answer. What route are you suggesting for a low time pilot when you say follow 70 and go around the hill?

At this point I can only assume you are full of ****, and don't have the credentials you claim you do.
 
Why don't you just say what you really meant by "follow 70 and go around the hill" ?
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I have, and have elaborated on it. A failure to comprehend doesn't constitute a demand on my part to repeat myself yet again.

That might have something to do with the ever changing story and lack of specifics.
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Nothing I've said has changed. The specifics depend on the variables, don't they? They do. I outlined the variables. I also cited routes. Perhaps those of you who have been two busy trying to put words in my mouth missed it in your zeal to suggest what you think I said.

That many of you find an I-70 trip westbound to be a mystical impossibility speaks volumes to your own lack of inexperience, and ability.
 
DouglasBader said:
I have, and have elaborated on it. A failure to comprehend doesn't constitute a demand on my part to repeat myself yet again.
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No, you haven't.

Nothing I've said has changed. The specifics depend on the variables, don't they? They do. I outlined the variables. I also cited routes. Perhaps those of you who have been two busy trying to put words in my mouth missed it in your zeal to suggest what you think I said.
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No, you haven't.

That many of you find an I-70 trip westbound to be a mystical impossibility speaks volumes to your own lack of inexperience, and ability.
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Perhaps you need a refresher on the premise. Beginner pilot, normally aspirated 172.

Again, I call bull**** on your credentials.
 
Clark1961 said:
Will crumpled paper support a 172? I'm thinkin' this will need an engineering study and FAA approval before it's attempted. Of course if it's already been done somewhere maybe we could just get a field approval. Got any examples laying around? I'm sure you've seen plenty of paperwork when flying for US.
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No, hence my proposed use in the runaway ramp to slow the headlong rush of the 172 if the air brakes fail. :idea:
 
EdFred said:
Again, I call bull**** on your credentials.
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What are you talking about? He's a war hero!

ball_bader_mcnight.jpg


http://www.acesofww2.com/UK/aces/bader.htm
 
Everskyward said:
What are you talking about? He's a war hero!

ball_bader_mcnight.jpg


http://www.acesofww2.com/UK/aces/bader.htm
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OK, I couldn't resist. There's only 1 Douglas Bader in the FAA database, lives in Castle Rock, CO.

Date of Issue: 11/14/2008
Certificate: AIRLINE TRANSPORT PILOT Print
Ratings:
AIRLINE TRANSPORT PILOT
AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND
COMMERCIAL PRIVILEGES
AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND

Type Ratings:A/B-737A/B-757A/B-767A/B-777A/DC-9A/IA-JET
Limits:
ENGLISH PROFICIENT.
B-777 CIRC APCH VMC ONLY.
 
DouglasBader said:
I didn't say that. (you just quoted me saying that you didn't speak for yourself not think for yourself: do you bother to read what you type??). You've got a comprehension problem.
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Ironic to say the least.

Hint to Master Bader: read all of my post, not just the part you wish to attack.
 
EdFred said:
Wow. Really?
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Maybe he is referring to an auto?

On the other hand, I can certainly make the trip at a lower altitude in an aircraft than in an auto which happens to be on I-70 at the Eisenhower/Johnson tunnel...
 
Clark1961 said:
Maybe he is referring to an auto?

On the other hand, I can certainly make the trip at a lower altitude in an aircraft than in an auto which happens to be on I-70 at the Eisenhower/Johnson tunnel...
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Word, I think you could do the whole flight at 6500'. It would just be a very long flight.
 
Clark1961 said:
Maybe that'd be "going around the hill"???
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Follow I 70, then backtrack to I-35, down the gulf Coast to Panama, cross at the ithsmus, back up the west coast of Mexico...

That's around the hill, and several countries. Then you too can be as cool and as experienced as a jackwagon.
 
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cirrusmx said:
from erie to grand junction, I-70 is probably the safest lowest altitude route.
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And what do you base this opinion upon? Personal experience?

Please - go back and read the entire thread and don't just look at a Denver sectional.

Better yet, please fly the I-70 route in a Cessna 172. But before you take off, please make sure your will is updated.
 
pilotod said:
Is there some site or software that can find the lowest altitude route? I'd like to fly from Erie, CO to Grand Junction (in Sep to see the Blue Angles) but it looks like a 172 might be a challenge to use. I am looking at the CPA site that shows the passes and altitudes. Maybe I can figure it out from that.....maybe.
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1. Call Jon Bowman at Western Air (BJC) or Larry Camden at Executive (APA) or Jer/ Eberhard (FNL & GXY) and get serious mountain training.
2. Ask them for a preferred route based on your experience & aircraft.
3. Believe them.
 
murphey said:
OK, I couldn't resist. There's only 1 Douglas Bader in the FAA database, lives in Castle Rock, CO.

Date of Issue: 11/14/2008
Certificate: AIRLINE TRANSPORT PILOT Print
Ratings:
AIRLINE TRANSPORT PILOT
AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND
COMMERCIAL PRIVILEGES
AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND

Type Ratings:A/B-737A/B-757A/B-767A/B-777A/DC-9A/IA-JET
Limits:
ENGLISH PROFICIENT.
B-777 CIRC APCH VMC ONLY.
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At least those airplanes won't have problems on the I-70 route. ;)
 
EdFred said:
Follow I 70, then backtrack to I-35, down the gulf Coast to Panama, cross at the ithsmus, back up the west coast of Mexico...
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Ya know, that sounds like a good flight. I've always enjoyed dining on a beach in Mexico. Fresh fish off the grill, cerveza muy frio, a gentle breeze, mariachi in the background...
 
Clark1961 said:
Ya know, that sounds like a good flight. I've always enjoyed dining on a beach in Mexico. Fresh fish off the grill, cerveza muy frio, a gentle breeze, mariachi in the background...
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Right - and what airplane are you going to use for this trip? I dropped off my periodic bribe at the shop. You should give up your hangar and just pay rent to Bill & Ron.
 
murphey said:
Right - and what airplane are you going to use for this trip? I dropped off my periodic bribe at the shop. You should give up your hangar and just pay rent to Bill & Ron.
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Ed's of course. I hear it is 10 knots faster these days...

OTOH, maybe just a long walk. After this week at work the long walk may do me good...
 
We'll see what the bill is like on ours tomorrow too. Maybe we can all walk to Mexico together. ;)

Be nice to see the airplane again after a little over two weeks.
 
When I get a song stuck in my head that I don't like, I think of one I DO like. A Brahms symphony usually works for me.
 
murphey said:
And what do you base this opinion upon? Personal experience?

Please - go back and read the entire thread and don't just look at a Denver sectional.

Better yet, please fly the I-70 route in a Cessna 172. But before you take off, please make sure your will is updated.
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I am talking about driving instead of flying. How much time will you save vs the exposure to risk by flying a 172 over the rockies. Unless you are up for it for the adrenaline and the adventure then flying is alright. I just strongly believe that mountain flying and even transportation is not the mission for a 172.
 
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