Looking for a odd ball insurance policy (auto)

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Got a question for the collective here.

So I keep hearing that with liability insurance they are insuring the driver, not the car, well I gotta call BS on that for the most part because I need to pay for each car, which makes no sense of what they say is true.

For aircraft I can get a policy that just follows me around as the pilot, between renters to CFI insurance, lots of products (probably because free market and no mandate to even have insurance)


Is there such a animal as a automotive policy, just meeting state requirements, which covers me the driver, and I can take from car to car??
 
I've looked for similar for a different reason, I own multiple cars. And it would be pretty hard for me to drive all of them at once.

When I asked why the estimated mileage for each doesn't lower the insurance commensurately, even on old vehicles without comprehensive coverage (they can't claim they're all going to be hit by the same hailstorm, for example) the agent says people cheat on insurance all the time and one person insures four vehicles in a household without listing the drivers who have tickets and what not.

My smart assed answer to this, of course, was to tell them their coverage is denied and fix the problem, but she had no answer for that, of course... they'd rather get some money than no money out of a broke ass household.

So, yeah... haven't found anything like it yet, but don't expect to after that conversation.

Best you can do is make sure the laws in your state allow a change of insurance via either a voice mail (not legal in CO) or an email (legal and binding), tell the agent, and get them all of the vehicles, their VINs, or whatever, and literally call and change the insurance daily if you have to.

I thought about being that annoying to my agent, actually. She'd hate me, but she couldn't do anything about it if I called and stopped coverage on the car I drove yesterday, and started it on the car I'm driving today, every day.

And my company doesn't have any change fees. LOL.

But that's pretty much a **** move, so I haven't done it. I just stupidly pay for vehicles that are sitting still for days on end. At least they're old and cheap.

The best way to do this, of course, is to be wealthy enough to self-insure.

Some companies used to specialize in multiple single or dual owner vehicles, they're all gone now because of the fraud mentioned above.
 
I'd wager it's more greed than fraud.
 
Are you looking for insurance to drive a car that may not have any or just liability that will cover you in whatever car you are in?

Umbrella insurance policy may be a solution for the latter...if set up right it is supposed to cover anything above what existing policy would be lacking...but it is not legal car insurance on its own.
 
I have a few vehicles, between motorcycles to sports cars to a couple trucks, based on my history and risk I really wouldn't even bother with insurance is it wasn't for the government forcing me, so what I'm looking for is to pay for one cheap liability only policy, but be able to move it from vehicle to vehicle
 
I'd wager it's more greed than fraud.

You'd probably win that bet, but I suspect it depends on what 'hood the cars are in, too.

Most of us carry the load for the insurers these days anyway with uninsured and underinsured coverage also.

Someone mentioned an umbrella. It's not exactly what you want for what you're trying to do but... if your umbrella is with the same company as your auto, often you can lower the auto specific liability coverages because their umbrella will kick in above that. Worth running the numbers.

My umbrella runs me a whopping $200 a year and essentially quadruples my auto liability overall because it's cumulative. You have to make sure the umbrella is going to kick in after the auto though. Some underwriters do it, some don't.

The fringe benefit is that the umbrella covers a bunch of other liability also.

It's one way to play their games. They'll probably stop offering it if they can make more some other way. Haha.

What the umbrella won't cover is medical and that's the real deal with auto anyway. But if the goal is liability coverage over multiple personal vehicles, the umbrella works for most policies. In the end it just makes sure that you have a chunk of change paying the lawyers.
 
Best you can do is make sure the laws in your state allow a change of insurance via either a voice mail (not legal in CO) or an email (legal and binding), tell the agent, and get them all of the vehicles, their VINs, or whatever, and literally call and change the insurance daily if you have to.

I thought about being that annoying to my agent, actually. She'd hate me, but she couldn't do anything about it if I called and stopped coverage on the car I drove yesterday, and started it on the car I'm driving today, every day.

And my company doesn't have any change fees. LOL.

But that's pretty much a **** move, so I haven't done it. I just stupidly pay for vehicles that are sitting still for days on end. At least they're old and cheap.
I don't know about your state, but here they won't let you cancel the minimum required liability insurance without turning in the license plates to the DMV and cancelling the registration. Then to put it back on the road you would need to register it and get a new inspection and pay all the fees involved with that.
 
I don't know about your state, but here they won't let you cancel the minimum required liability insurance without turning in the license plates to the DMV and cancelling the registration. Then to put it back on the road you would need to register it and get a new inspection and pay all the fees involved with that.

I ran into that nonsense.

Took my business, or rather registration, to another state.

Frankly I'm paying them for a service, the ability to drive on the roads I already paid for, as for who I insure with, that's non of their business, I'm just buying a tag for my plates.

Wonder if I could somehow use a umbrella without normal auto insurance for the cars? But yeah, if it doesn't cover medical...
 
I have a few vehicles, between motorcycles to sports cars to a couple trucks, based on my history and risk I really wouldn't even bother with insurance is it wasn't for the government forcing me, so what I'm looking for is to pay for one cheap liability only policy, but be able to move it from vehicle to vehicle
In Georgia, each car has to be insured to get a tag, if the insurance lapses, they void the tag!!
 
In Georgia, each car has to be insured to get a tag, if the insurance lapses, they void the tag!!

Which is BS.

There are other states that mind their business.
 
I own a long standing family insurance business that been around since 1972 and a few different P and C license's...what you want does not exist...State regs are an issue but it really Insurance carriers who feel like they cannot underwrite the risk and the premium would not justify the exposure...I am the only driver on three vehicles in my family fleet of six cars and would jump at the chance to do the same thing.
 
Someone mentioned an umbrella. It's not exactly what you want for what you're trying to do but... if your umbrella is with the same company as your auto, often you can lower the auto specific liability coverages because their umbrella will kick in above that. Worth running the numbers..

The two companies I've had umbrella coverage through both required you maintain high levels of liability on your auto policy (300K if I remember) so you may not be able to lower you coverage.
 
The two companies I've had umbrella coverage through both required you maintain high levels of liability on your auto policy (300K if I remember) so you may not be able to lower you coverage.
That's my situation with Geico....Also, there was a minimum required for a rental policy as well.
 
In Washington, at least, that animal is called a "broad form policy". No idea if it might be available in your state.

I can pull a WA policy, do you have a broker who you could recommend?
 
Is this the same "honk when you pass by Vern Fonk" that I remember from way back when?
 
... Is there such a animal as a automotive policy, just meeting state requirements, which covers me the driver, and I can take from car to car??
Wrong place to ask. Call your state insurance regulator.
 
There is such a thing as an "All Owned Vehicles" policy, although I have no idea whether or not your state allows them.

Rich
 
Vern Fonk was mentioned above, though I've not done business with him, and his marketing is a little geeky. Here's his webpage on broad form policies.

Man!

So I called and the rate they gave me was just over 1k a year for minimum liability for a guy with zero accident history, no criminal stuff, no duis, no tickets within the last 6 years, etc. wtf?
 
Man!

So I called and the rate they gave me was just over 1k a year for minimum liability for a guy with zero accident history, no criminal stuff, no duis, no tickets within the last 6 years, etc. wtf?
Sounds like a pretty good deal. You want insurance that would cover you smashing one car into another that you own, and then getting into a third, fourth... I'm surprised it was that cheap.
 
I have thought about this many times, cars are a bit of a hobby for me and I have several. Obviously not going to drive them all at once.... I've often thought it is pretty unfair I have to pay for registration and insurance on all of them instead of just having one registration and one insurance policy.
 
Man!

So I called and the rate they gave me was just over 1k a year for minimum liability for a guy with zero accident history, no criminal stuff, no duis, no tickets within the last 6 years, etc. wtf?

Sounds like a steal.

Switzerland has a neat thing: Multi-car plates. You pay tax and insurance on the largest vehicle and you get a single set of plates that can be moved around between a number of cars on the reg.istration.

An acquaintance with way to many cars registered as a used car dealer. He didn't have to pay sales tax for his 'inventory' and it came with a set of dealer plates he could use on all his vehicles. Probably paid a bunch for a commercial liability policy.
 
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I have thought about this many times, cars are a bit of a hobby for me and I have several. Obviously not going to drive them all at once.... I've often thought it is pretty unfair I have to pay for registration and insurance on all of them instead of just having one registration and one insurance policy.

I don't even really mind multiple registrations, mostly. There's a bit of silliness there when statists claim it's because we need to maintain roads, though. That one is always precious. Yep, the three parked cars are just wearing out those roads, while we drive the fourth car, aren't they? LOL.

(Really anyone pro-big-government always defaults to the road thing whenever challenged about growing government in general. They don't like it much when you point out the roads and bridges are crumbling, so the money must not be going to that.)

It's the whole "paying for liability coverage for something I'm incurring no liability from while it's parked" thing that annoys me.

Of course, it's caused by government mandating liability coverage on all *vehicles*, vs mandating coverage on *drivers* which is where liability coverage belongs. A slight tweak of the law would be useful.

The insurance person freaking out here about someone ramming their own cars with their other vehicles was a good laugh, though. a) I doubt the actuaries see that too much, and b) It's not a liability claim anyway. It's a comprehensive or collision claim. I could see a company saying you need to keep those active on all vehicles, but not base liability. Not to mention c) The vast majority of vehicle enthusiasts who have more than one vehicle wouldn't do that anyway.

Give me a break. What a silly rationalization. Insurers write limits into policies all the time, just disallow payouts for ramming your own stuff... problem solved.

Liability should be assessed to the driver, not the vehicles.

But let's play that one out. Drivers get liability coverage instead of cars. Now some awful driver who couldn't keep the thing between two lines of cones on a simple parking lot course at 5 MPH gets tagged as a risk and their rates go up drastically, like they should.

There'd be someone screaming that person was discriminated against and that basic transportation is a "right" and that the system that tied real dollar liability risk to that driver was "unfair" and going to collapse the social fabric, or somesuch poppycock.

Or take that further and try making Americans take a defensive driving class. Just one. Or any driving class, actually behind the wheel. A weekend two day-er that is mandatory if they don't want high liability rates, and watch the "social justice" weenies come unglued.

Because... and here's the dirty little secret... it's the car enthusiasts' job to pay extra to cover the idiots. That's the unwritten rule nobody wants to say out loud.

Got four beaters and only drive one at a time? Pay up, four times, you nutty responsible person. We'll make up some "cool story bro" reasons that you're a "higher risk".

As the bumper sticker hanging in my garage says, "Don't ban high-performance cars. Ban low-performance drivers."

Ramming all the cars into the other ones, LOL. YGBFKM. Comedy gold, there.
 
Sounds like a steal.

Switzerland has a neat thing: Multi-car plates. You pay tax and insurance on the largest vehicle and you get a single set of plates that can be moved around between a number of cars on the reg.istration.

An acquaintance with way to many cars registered as a used car dealer. He didn't have to pay sales tax for his 'inventory' and it came with a set of dealer plates he could use on all his vehicles. Probably paid a bunch for a commercial liability policy.

Not sure about a steal, I pay less than 400 a year for liability on one car, and they are "insuring the driver" so paying over twice that for them to just "insure the driver".

Anyone have any recommendations for a insurance company where I can just shoot a email to change cars?
 
Not sure about a steal, I pay less than 400 a year for liability on one car, and they are "insuring the driver" so paying over twice that for them to just "insure the driver".

I thought you had a bunch of cars. Right now I have six different policies in two different states, all but two on liability only. 1k for would be a steal.
 
I thought you had a bunch of cars. Right now I have six different policies in two different states, all but two on liability only. 1k for would be a steal.

I do, but I refuse to pay for multiple liability polices, if it's really just to insure the driver the car should be irrelevant.

Guess the best move would be to get one of those free to change polices that were mentioned and just shoot off a email whenever I want to change cars :dunno:

@denverpilot
 
I do, but I refuse to pay for multiple liability polices, if it's really just to insure the driver the car should be irrelevant.

Guess the best move would be to get one of those free to change polices that were mentioned and just shoot off a email whenever I want to change cars :dunno:

@denverpilot

I agree that everyone should just be able to have a general liability policy that covers all perils. But then that might become a mandate to buy a product, like ObamaScare. As someone stated above, it's the state that mandates liability for each vehicle, since anyone could drive one of your cars. Complain to your state rep.
 
Really? Where?

WA

and it's not that they don't require insurance (which is not constitutional BTW), it's that they don't put their nose into my business to make sure vehicles which are not even be on a public road have insurance on them, which is none of their damn business.
 
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