Lift the shuttle by helo?

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With the shuttle underway and traffic disrupted & areas closed or blacked out a growing number are saying, "they should have used a helicopter.". No one believes me when I say a helo can't lift the shuttle and point to pictures of a helo lifting a F15.

At 151,000lbs, is there a cargo helicopter that could lift the shuttle for 10 miles over a dense city? If so, would such a load weather vane or spin?

Best I got is a Chinook can lift 28000 lbs. I can't see scaling this up ~6 times.
 
There's a reason NASA hauls it around on a 747.

Whiny people need to look beyond their little self centered crybaby world for a day and realize they are getting what they want. They don't want NASA flying anything so they should at least give NASA a day or two to throw the shuttle in the garbage. Sheesh.
 
The space shuttle is that heavy? Wow.

No, there's no single helo that can lift that.
 
An F15 would look like a kite next to the space shuttle. It really is quite a bit bigger than it looks from far away, or on TV.

Thinning camera.
 
Best I got is a Chinook can lift 28000 lbs. I can't see scaling this up ~6 times.

You didn't look very hard. ;)

The Mi-26 can carry 44,000 pounds. And that is the most that can currently be lifted by a helicopter that is in-service today. Obviously still well short of lifting the Shuttle.

The CH-53E can carry 32,000 pounds externally.
 
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An F15 would look like a kite next to the space shuttle. It really is quite a bit bigger than it looks from far away, or on TV.

Thinning camera.

Indeed it is. Much bigger than most people assume. Roughly the size of three houses, in fact:

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I'm ashamed to be an american today.

Why? Ending the Shuttle program was a needed step. The Shuttle left nothing but empty promises. They never got close to how cheap it was to fly. The manpower needed to keep the thing flying was astronomical. Going to the STS was the worst decision NASA ever made. We would have been better off with an upgraded Apollo system.
 
FWIW, Los Angeles is not known for having a surplus of brain power.

Eh. It's not just L.A., and it's not just brain power. I wouldn't expect most ordinary people anywhere to know the weight of the shuttle, nor the payload capacity of a helicopter.

It's more like general whininess. Too many people seem to believe that they're somehow entitled to perfect little lives, where they can have whatever they like, and they never have to "suffer" any kind of inconvenience at all.

Off the top of my head, I can think of a few other examples of this phenomenon, such as when people:

... oppose the erection of cell towers, and then complain when they can't get a cell signal.

... complain about potholes or other problems on a road, and then complain when the repairs close the road or slow down traffic.

... advocate "zero-tolerance" policies against [fill in whatever here], and then complain when those policies lead to bizarre results.

... insist that school bus drivers wait until kids being transported home from school are safely inside the doors of their homes before driving away, but then complain when it takes longer for their children to get home from school.

... complain that the nearest [whatever] is too far away, but oppose the construction of another [whatever] in their neighborhoods.

... blatantly defy hands-free phone laws while driving, and then complain when they are ticketed. (This one seems more common among women, for some reason. I almost never see men using handheld phones while driving, but I see women doing it all the time. I have no idea why.)

... oppose the construction of new roads, and then complain when the existing ones become congested with traffic.

I can think of dozens of examples of the last one. For example, people on Long Island complain about having to go through New York City to get to, well, pretty much anyplace; but they opposed Bob Moses' plan to build a bridge over Long Island Sound that would have helped alleviate that a bit by providing a bypass for traffic headed north.

Similarly, Manhattanites (who by and large hate any vehicle propelled by a motor) successfully opposed Robert Moses' plans to build two expressways across Manhattan. Now they incessantly gripe about street-level congestion caused by traffic headed to and from the Lincoln and Holland tunnels. But any time the idea of building an expressway is revisited, they vigorously and vociferously oppose it.

It's all comes down to people not wanting to accept the old adage, "You can't have your cake and eat it, too," in my opinion.

-Rich
 

Did you read that article? It's not what NASA is doing or more to the point, not doing. It's about the mentality of the people while the body is being dragged through the streets. No respect. A fooking pickup truck, seriously, seriously?

At least NASA will have the final say in civilization with footprints on the moon and a few spacecraft that will likely outlast the Earth.
 
Eh. It's not just L.A., and it's not just brain power. I wouldn't expect most ordinary people anywhere to know the weight of the shuttle, nor the payload capacity of a helicopter.

It's more like general whininess. Too many people seem to believe that they're somehow entitled to perfect little lives, where they can have whatever they like, and they never have to "suffer" any kind of inconvenience at all.

WOW, you got that exactly right! :yesnod:
 
Did you read that article? It's not what NASA is doing or more to the point, not doing. It's about the mentality of the people while the body is being dragged through the streets. No respect. A fooking pickup truck, seriously, seriously?

At least NASA will have the final say in civilization with footprints on the moon and a few spacecraft that will likely outlast the Earth.

It's a machine, not a person. Have you forgotten that?
 
I guess Toyota finally 1 up'd all the other pickup trucks. I remember they used to have ads where they towed trailers and even train cars. It's kinda hard to beat the Space Shuttle.
 
I gave up. When they started saying "they lift aircraft carriers." and "they could've lifted it above the trees and power lines if they cared about the community" I had to throw in the towel.

I fear that the masses don't understand the difficulties of dealing with massive objects.
 
It's a machine, not a person. Have you forgotten that?

And a flag representing an entire country and everything and everyone it stands for is nothing more than a piece of cloth hanging on a stick.

Think beyond the gutted machine.

I guess Toyota finally 1 up'd all the other pickup trucks. I remember they used to have ads where they towed trailers and even train cars. It's kinda hard to beat the Space Shuttle.

A train is MUCH heavier than the shuttle.
 
The part that is killing me is that they planned the route well in advance. Cut down tons of trees and removed obstacles to ensure that it would fit......and now they apparently keep running into more trees that are in the way that somehow weren't idenfitied earlier??? Who the hell screwed that one up?
 
The part that is killing me is that they planned the route well in advance. Cut down tons of trees and removed obstacles to ensure that it would fit......and now they apparently keep running into more trees that are in the way that somehow weren't idenfitied earlier??? Who the hell screwed that one up?

The person that thought the shuttle was the size of a Greyhound bus traveling sideways.
 
Did you read that article? It's not what NASA is doing or more to the point, not doing. It's about the mentality of the people while the body is being dragged through the streets. No respect. A fooking pickup truck, seriously, seriously?

At least NASA will have the final say in civilization with footprints on the moon and a few spacecraft that will likely outlast the Earth.

An astronaut who actually flew in that shuttle rode in the pickup. He doesn't appear to have a problem with it.
 
I'm sure the California Science Center also doesn't mind Toyota's $500,000 donation, either.
 
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