Landing question

Yeah, I guess it's not the best idea. I'm not gonna do it.
 
I was listening to Rod Machado recently (just picked up his audio series) and he talked about Risk to Benefit equation.

He was basically making the point that we must always ask ourselves that question in every phase of flight!

I've made up my mind that if I ever land anywhere off airport......it will be because I couldn't make it to one! :)


....I've learned so much from this guy and love his humorous way of teaching! He's great! :yesnod:

Thanks Rod
 
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So here I am.....4 months until I turn 18 (actually a little less) waiting because I'm not old enough to be a commercial pilot. I've got the hours for it, I'm just not old enough. I like being able to have atleast a minute amount of control over things in my life, however age isn't one. Some days I feel like I'm 17 going on 50, getting treated like a kid gets old pretty quick. Age is such a stupid and arbitrary number, 120 days will NOT make any difference in my piloting ability.
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Age and experience will make a difference in your judgement.

120 days worth of age, probably not. You are still a kid.

I was in the same boat. Began flying at 14, soloed at 16, private 17 commercial 18, and so on. My first job after high school was flying ag work (crop dusting), and give years later passengers were still asking to see my driver's license before they'd get in the airplane. Such is life. Get used to it.

You're not 17 going on 50, but you sound 17 when you say it. Think about that. Be 17. Enjoy 17. Don't try to be 50.

Make sound judgements like you're 50; do that. Just don't be in a big hurry to be something you're not. Soon enough you'll look back and wonder where the last 33 years went.
 
It really doesn't matter what story you use at this point and time, David. It's already out there on a public forum.

Also, there are some real nice twisty new subdivision roads that are enticing to tear up on a motorcycle. I doubt anyone would bust my balls if I did, but there is so much hard to see construction garbage and nails on the road it's just not worth it so I don't.

I'm of the camp that if there is no real reason to do it, why invite criticism.
 
redtail said:
I was listening to Rod Machado recently (just picked up his audio series) and he talked about Risk to Benefit equation.

He was basically making the point that we must always ask ourselves that question in every phase of flight!

I've made up my mind that if I ever land anywhere off airport......it will be because I couldn't make it to one! :)
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That's really the long and the short of it. As with many things, the FAA will hand you the whole coil of rope to hang yourself with or save yourself with, it's up to you to decide which way to use it.
 
Landing on the road itself: not necessarily a bad thing. Doing it because you're 17 and want to prove that you're going on 50: probably not a good thing.

When I landed on roads it was often to get out and check a field for insects or weeds, before moving on to the next field, before coming back to spray them, or to walk a set of powerlines and look for invisible wires. I've landed on roads for other reasons; ambulance work, picking up or dropping people and things off, and so forth. Doing it because you've got a wild hair where it ought not be, however, may not be the best reason for taking the same action. Food for thought.
 
I wasn't going to do it because I wanted to prove anything, I just think it would be fun.
 
DavidWhite said:
Yeah, I guess it's not the best idea. I'm not gonna do it.
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Wise decision young man!

I think I've told you before that when I was in high school, and we were getting ready to pull something really stupid, someone wiser than the norm would pipe up and say "let's don't and say we did!"

As as you know since you've met me...

...that person was never me!

:)
 
redtail said:
It does sound like it would be fun if nothing went wrong:D
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I think so too. I posted it here so people with far more experience than myself could tell me what they think. I can't say I'm particularly pleased with the answer (because I really wanted to do it) but they say don't ask questions you don't want to know the answer to. (I'm glad I asked this question)
 
I thought this post may have had something to do with the 25th anniversary of Mathias Rust's landing.
 
pbramlett said:
I thought this post may have had something to do with the 25th anniversary of Mathias Rust's landing.
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LOL, a bit over a year ago I walked out the front of the GUM store and looked at Red Square and the first thought that sprang to mind was "Damn, I could get the 310 in and out of here easy.:rofl:

Anyone know what happened to the 172?
 
Henning said:
LOL, a bit over a year ago I walked out the front of the GUM store and looked at Red Square and the first thought that sprang to mind was "Damn, I could get the 310 in and out of here easy.:rofl:

Anyone know what happened to the 172?
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Wiki says its in a museum in berlin.
 
I flew with a wacko once who landed along side a farm-field and stole a pumpkin! The same guy buzzed a bunch of folks ice-fishing near Lake-Placid, NY.

First time, shame on you... Second time, shame on me... Its amazing what you'll do in your youth...
 
AuntPeggy said:
Are you still within this 120 day window?:confused::rofl:
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DavidWhite said:
What is that supposed to mean?
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It is supposed to mean, as a couple of others in this thread indicated, that it is a 17-year-old kind of idea that you will grow out of. It seems that you have already figured it out. Good for you.

By the way, don't let us stop you from enjoying the place you are in the road of life. You are, and should be, a teenage boy looking forward to a great adventure. :goofy:Enjoy.
 
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Skip Miller said:
Gents:

Wreckless landings are a very good thing.

Reckless landings, not so much.

Just a pet peeve of mine... Carry on!

-Skip
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I assumed the misspelling was intentional-- as in, that's what they hit you with when you didn't do anything wrong and wreck, but they still don't like it. Careless and Wreckless.
 
Henning said:
LOL, a bit over a year ago I walked out the front of the GUM store and looked at Red Square and the first thought that sprang to mind was "Damn, I could get the 310 in and out of here easy.:rofl:

Anyone know what happened to the 172?
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Hanging in the Deutsches Technikmuseum...just saw it last week. Instantly knew what it was, he's one of my favorite Germans.

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While I must admit that it sounds like a fun idea, and very tempting indeed, I'm not certain that I would have gone through with it, just for the fact of not knowing what could happen to me or to my airplane.

Glad to hear you made the decision to not attempt it. I'd hate to read about you in the news.
 
I will confess to having fantasized enough about flying under the Golden Gate Bridge to give some thought to how to do it. :D

Of course, that one is not very similar to the OP's fantasy, because mine is clearly illegal!
 
Too bad you're not in Montana, David. Landing on public roads here is legal.

FWIW, landing on a road is just another landing. It's not any more "fun" than any other landing you'll ever make. And, the airplane can't tell the difference. ;)

Mark
 
Not that I have any personal knowledge of this, but I have heard that a member of a family I am intimate with has a ranch about 110 miles east of my home in a remote part of Oregon. Near the house is a two mile straight stretch. On occasion there are airplanes parked around the yard, and it seems ranch vehicles sometimes are parked across each end of the straight stretch, which on "busy" days sees one or two vehicles a day. :dunno:

Life is short, who knows when your engine is going to run rough.
 
Henning was right, if anyone asks, plane was running rough. You landed, sumped the water out of the tanks, it ran up just fine, so you took off again.


That said, plenty of cool places to land that are actual airports. I wouldn't risk it, unless you have some way of obtaining written permission.
 
I, too, always want to land when doing simulated engine outs. while on the simulator, I tend to land on everything but runways - cruise ship decks, building tops, highways, etc.
 
GrampaMark said:
Too bad you're not in Montana, David. Landing on public roads here is legal.

FWIW, landing on a road is just another landing. It's not any more "fun" than any other landing you'll ever make. And, the airplane can't tell the difference. ;)

Mark
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Different is fun for me though, and landing on an unfinished toll road would be different. (Plus, I'd be the first person to land a plane there!)
 
raider said:
I, too, always want to land when doing simulated engine outs. while on the simulator, I tend to land on everything but runways - cruise ship decks, building tops, highways, etc.
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Fortunately when I was a trainee my instructor broke the club's "no going below 500agl for practice engine out" rule..

He knew a particular field where the owners would not mind if we brought it right on down to the deck before powering up and going around
 
Henning said:
Nope, you get caught you say 'Yeah, it was running real rough so I set it down to sump the fuel.'

Damn don't any of y'all know how to talk your way out of trouble? Lol
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Yea, until they read this thread.

Kobra
 
David,

Just saw this after getting back into town. I wanted to do the same at one time, but did a little research. This is what I found:

http://law.onecle.com/texas/transportation/24.021.00.html

§ 24.021. TAKING OFF, LANDING, OR MANEUVERING AIRCRAFT ON HIGHWAYS, ROADS, OR STREETS; OFFENSE. (a) A person commits an offense if the person takes off, lands, or maneuvers an aircraft, whether heavier or lighter than air, on a public highway, road, or street except: (1) when necessary to prevent serious injury to a person or property; (2) during or within a reasonable time after an emergency; or (3) as provided by Section 24.022. (b) An offense under Subsection (a) is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of not less than $25 and not more than $200. (c) The procedure prescribed by Section 543.003 applies to a violation of this section. Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995. Amended by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 165, § 30.04, eff. Sept. 1, 1997.
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Ryan
 
This falls into the just because it may be legal does not make it the smartest thing to do catagory. If you decide to do it (and that decision is on you), don't put it on youtube and don't come bragging about it here-aviation is a small, small community.
 
RyanShort1 said:
I'm just confused why such a big landmark, even if unfinished, still hasn't made it onto the charts.

Ryan
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It is a really great emergency landing spot should the need ever arise. The whole thing looks to be about 4 lanes a side wide, and stretches for 15 miles.
 
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