Just another rough landing...

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Interesting how the passengers in this video react after their airplane has just gone off the runway into the trees after an emergency landing.


An Alrosa Mirny Air Tupolev TU-154M, registration RA-85684 performing flight 6R-514 from Polyarny to Moscow Domodedovo (Russia) with 72 passengers and 9 crew, was enroute at 10600 meters (FL347) when the aircraft suffered a complete failure of electric power resulting in loss of navigation devices and fuel pumps. At around 07:47L (03:47Z) the city emergency services of Ihzma were advised the airplane might approach their disused airfield and deployed to the city's old airfield. The crew was able to put the airplane down onto Izhma's abandoned runway (about 1200 meters long) now only used as a helicopter platform but overran the runway by about 150-200 meters into a small wood at around 07:55L (03:55Z). The airplane received substantial damage, no injuries occured.
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http://avherald.com/h?article=430a1d01&opt=0
 
They did a good job there. I like the reaction of the passengers.

It seemed to me to be interesting design features where the hydraulic flaps have electric switches. Are such design features where an electrical failure takes out that many systems common on jets? I also wonder if the landing gear was able to be deployed.
 
Ted DuPuis said:
It seemed to me to be interesting design features where the hydraulic flaps have electric switches. Are such design features where an electrical failure takes out that many systems common on jets? I also wonder if the landing gear was able to be deployed.
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That is pretty much how all the modern jetliners work, Ted. Especially the fly by wire birds. That is why there are so many redundant electrical systems on these planes.
 
Ted DuPuis said:
They did a good job there. I like the reaction of the passengers.
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Me too!

Ted DuPuis said:
It seemed to me to be interesting design features where the hydraulic flaps have electric switches. Are such design features where an electrical failure takes out that many systems common on jets?
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For all the jets with which I am familiar, which doesn't include airliners, I would say yes. A total electrical failure is a serious emergency, not like on smaller airplanes.

Ted DuPuis said:
I also wonder if the landing gear was able to be deployed.
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I think the gear was down. In some picture I saw tire tracks along the runway. Here, I found it...

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Greg Bockelman said:
That is pretty much how all the modern jetliners work, Ted. Especially the fly by wire birds. That is why there are so many redundant electrical systems on these planes.
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Everskyward said:
For all the jets with which I am familiar, which doesn't include airliners, I would say yes. A total electrical failure is a serious emergency, not like on smaller airplanes.
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That answers my question! Thank you.

I don't have a problem with redundant electrical systems being the form of safety (a number of ideas on my thought experiment aircraft would end up using that), it's just not what I'm used to in my F-350. :)

Everskyward said:
I think the gear was down. In some picture I saw tire tracks along the runway. Here, I found it...

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Hmm. This picture isn't working for me.
 
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Ted DuPuis said:
Hmm. This picture isn't working for me.
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That's weird because it shows up for me in your post. Try opening the link in the original post and scroll down. The picture is there.
 
well, they're nice and... calm - but what is there in that situation that precludes the possibility of a huge fireball erupting from a cracked wing gas tank and a short circuit or hot engine? :confused:

I believe my ass would have been out of there pretty damn snappy. :yes:
 
The picture link still isn't working for me, but I did see the landing gear down on the web.
 
Ted DuPuis said:
The picture link still isn't working for me, but I did see the landing gear down on the web.
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Are you and/or Scott using a computer at work? Maybe that site is verboten although I can't imagine why. I don't know how to fix the picture link since I did it in the same way I have linked other pictures in the past and others can see it.
 
etsisk said:
well, they're nice and... calm - but what is there in that situation that precludes the possibility of a huge fireball erupting from a cracked wing gas tank and a short circuit or hot engine? :confused:

I believe my ass would have been out of there pretty damn snappy. :yes:
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While that's true I though that their reactions were a refreshing change from the overwrought drama we sometimes see in other situations. Is this cultural I wonder?
 
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Everskyward said:
While that's true I though that their reactions were a refreshing change from the overwrought drama we sometimes see on other situations. Is this cultural I wonder?
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Might be. One of the things I've observed is that life these days has become "too safe." We used to be worried about big things that we couldn't do much about. Being eaten by bears, the plague, etc. Now that we've successfully erradicated most of the big risks in our day-to-day lives, people have gotten to the point where zero risk is acceptable whatsoever. Vaccines are a good example - I've known parents to not vaccinate their kids against diseases due to the miniscule risk of side effects from the vaccines (which admittedly can be major), and instead accept the significantly higher risk of the diseases and the consequences that come from said diseases.

Maybe the Russian people still have enough day-to-day risks that a little thing like a plane crash that everyone survived to realize "Hey, that wasn't so bad."

EDIT: "little thing" is said tongue-in-cheek ;)
 
Everskyward said:
While that's true I though that their reactions were a refreshing change from the overwrought drama we sometimes see in other situations. Is this cultural I wonder?
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No, I think it's probably the lack of personal injury lawyers in Russia. No crying, screaming, and weeping means no damages for "emotional pain and suffering."

Shakespeare was right.
 
Everskyward said:
While that's true I though that their reactions were a refreshing change from the overwrought drama we sometimes see in other situations. Is this cultural I wonder?
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Something tells me that there will be a lot less need for 'grief counseling' and PTSD treatment in those passengers.
 
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