John vs. Martha King?

John King Vs Martha King

  • John

    Votes: 2 8.7%

  • Martha

    Votes: 21 91.3%
  • Total voters
    23
I'd prefer the good looking funny one.

[Which one is that? As Ozzy would say, "Don't ask me, I don't know"]
[Edit: and if you don't know, that EXCEPTIONALLY talented guitar pilot died in 1982 in a Bonanza crash. I'm lucky my first concert experience was that band on New Year's Eve, 3 months before the rock world lost Randy Rhoads]
 
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tspatrick said:
For instance:
https://www.flyingmag.com/technique/proficiency/sky-kings-tipping-point
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Well that was interesting.

I can see why John King is such a proponent of shifting the focus of flight training to risk management, but trying to change the entire industry because of your own personality flaw seems egocentric, and the debate between Rod Machado and John King made John look like a jerk.

Also instead of "managing" risk we should simply admit that VFR-only GA as a method of regular transportation is not practical.
 
I'm a huge of John and Martha's. The jokes and campiness make the material palatable. I nod off during the Sporty's stuff.
 
1RTK1 said:
I believe that was past tense, a part of their history which made them much better pilots.....
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Yep, back at the wild and crazy, the world is my oyster 'cuz I'm a pilot, stage.
 
dmspilot said:
Well that was interesting.

I can see why John King is such a proponent of shifting the focus of flight training to risk management, but trying to change the entire industry because of your own personality flaw seems egocentric, and the debate between Rod Machado and John King made John look like a jerk.

Also instead of "managing" risk we should simply admit that VFR-only GA as a method of regular transportation is not practical.
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Addressing your last comment, before the "sport pilot" debacle, there was talk of making the instrument rating part of the "regular" pilot ticket (so ASEL would include your instrument rating), and then having a lower one, equivalent to our private ticket w/o instruments. Now we have essentially four levels (U/L, with no license, is the lowest) before you get to commercial. At the time I was against it, now it seems as if it would work.
I like Machado, and I like the Kings, and I don't think that a one-on-one is the best venue for John King [obviously]. We all learn from many, and take what we will.
 
tspatrick said:
For instance:
https://www.flyingmag.com/technique/proficiency/sky-kings-tipping-point
Click to expand...

dmspilot said:
Well that was interesting.

I can see why John King is such a proponent of shifting the focus of flight training to risk management, but trying to change the entire industry because of your own personality flaw seems egocentric, and the debate between Rod Machado and John King made John look like a jerk.

Also instead of "managing" risk we should simply admit that VFR-only GA as a method of regular transportation is not practical.
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1RTK1 said:
I believe that was past tense, a part of their history which made them much better pilots.....
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The King's are very brave to share such deeply personal experiences. Also the times have changed since 1969 and even just recently with the ACS. Training and testing is much more rigorous with risk management now included in FAA testing. Accidents dropped dramatically with the simple introduction of non-certified devices like iPad's with Foreflight on top of this. Also, no more screaming into a handheld mic trying to listen over the overhead speaker.
 
Like them or not, the Kings have been quite useful for me. I used their class (VHS tapes at the time) for my private written and got 100%. A number of years later I used their class (DVDs) for my instrument written and got 90+% on it. They don't claim those classes are for anything other than the written, for me they were quite effective. If I ever go for another rating I'll certain look at their classes. And, as noted previously, Sporty's videos don't work for me, either. To each their own...
 
I think they both know their stuff - they are immersed in it, have been for a long time. I used their instrument course, and it was spot on and effective. I'd fly with either of them as PIC.
 
I thought we settled this a while ago.

Henning is the better pilot.
 
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