Jason KLNK ILS18

That was a fun flight.

We had to go missed on the VOR 17 because of clouds. At one point, on the final approach course, we could see the ramp to the left and the end of 18 to the right but could not see runway 17. I caught a glimpse of the numbers on 17 right at the MAP...but I was just going back into IMC. Back up we went for the ILS...

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Don't cha just love it when the runway is where you want it to be! Good Job Jason!
 
Runway 18 but the plane is flying UP the GPS screen? :dunno:






:D:D:D
 
I live with the track up all the time in my plane, my CFII lives with north up in his. In 6 hours of flying and handling the navigation with him last week in his plane, it still took me second looks at the 430 to be able to interpret the screen properly. Was better off just turning off the map to the traffic page and going old school with the CDI's.

So, heres a question: Does anyone else fly with a moving map set for North up and if so, why? Just curious if I'm missing something here.
 
DutchessFlier said:
So, heres a question: Does anyone else fly with a moving map set for North up and if so, why? Just curious if I'm missing something here.
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personal preference more than anything

I'm a track up, but know several pilots that swear by N up. It was explained to me that that is how they hold their sectionals or enroutes.
(I do the rotation mentally to correspond the chart to the moving map).

My daughter, when first seeing the 430w display on a long trip observed "look, Florida is upside down!"
 
DutchessFlier said:
I live with the track up all the time in my plane, my CFII lives with north up in his. In 6 hours of flying and handling the navigation with him last week in his plane, it still took me second looks at the 430 to be able to interpret the screen properly. Was better off just turning off the map to the traffic page and going old school with the CDI's.

So, heres a question: Does anyone else fly with a moving map set for North up and if so, why? Just curious if I'm missing something here.
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Yes, north up. Decades of working with maps, navigation, and plotting on a north-up basis. Mentally, I see the plane as moving, and the earth standing still. North up matches that mental picture. Charts are north up. For me, it's far easier to visualize north up. Can also be used for spatial awareness (if I'm north of that town, I must be....)

YMMV. There are folks that prefer track-up.... nothing wrong with that, just different.

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jesse said:
Track up. Just like baby jesus intended.
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Ted DuPuis said:
Yes, that is, indeed, the way for a GPS. North up is unnatural.
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I'm still waiting for the text to rotate on all the charts when I turn them to track up....oh wait they don't. North up it is.

Diagrams in the AF/D - north up
Approach plates - north up
Just about every blueprint I ever read or designed - north up

I'm still convinced there's a direct correlation between diminished intelligence and track up. ;)
 
DutchessFlier said:
So, heres a question: Does anyone else fly with a moving map set for North up and if so, why? Just curious if I'm missing something here.
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I prefer North Up. Maybe it's because I know the geography in the ConUS very well, but it always makes more sense to me. When I turn to Track Up, things like the Great Lakes end up being in such weird orientations that I can no longer look at the GPS and immediately know where I am and which way I'm going. So, I prefer North Up.
 
i like printed charts north up and moving maps track up
 
tonycondon said:
i like printed charts north up and moving maps track up
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i like the view out the window to match the moving map so i can turn to NRST without any delay in processing which way that is in case it becomes necessary
 
flyingcheesehead said:
I prefer North Up. Maybe it's because I know the geography in the ConUS very well, but it always makes more sense to me. When I turn to Track Up, things like the Great Lakes end up being in such weird orientations that I can no longer look at the GPS and immediately know where I am and which way I'm going. So, I prefer North Up.
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See, I just don't get that. You're going THAT WAY. You're going in the direction you're going. Not much is going to change that. I don't like to look at it and think, "ok, so if I see the airport over there...so if I turn left a little...then it'll be in front of the little airplane." If it's at the top of the screen and I don't change anything...that's where I'll be pretty soon.
 
jason said:
See, I just don't get that. You're going THAT WAY. You're going in the direction you're going. Not much is going to change that. I don't like to look at it and think, "ok, so if I see the airport over there...so if I turn left a little...then it'll be in front of the little airplane." If it's at the top of the screen and I don't change anything...that's where I'll be pretty soon.
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See post 16. Nebraska, where the N on the helmets stand for "Nollege" :D

I bet if you did a poll on engineering (construction/architectural drawings) background and north up usage, it is pretty strong correlation. We do everything north up. When you overlay your flight path on the sectional on the foreflight GPS does it flip the chart, or does it keep the chart north up? And show the plane traveling along the map. I have yet to find an atlas or chart that isn't done north up.
 
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jason said:
See, I just don't get that. You're going THAT WAY. You're going in the direction you're going. Not much is going to change that. I don't like to look at it and think, "ok, so if I see the airport over there...so if I turn left a little...then it'll be in front of the little airplane." If it's at the top of the screen and I don't change anything...that's where I'll be pretty soon.
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But I don't like to go with what the box feeds me, I like to go with the picture that's in my head so as to maintain constant situational awareness. At least for my head, North Up is WAY more compatible with that. I have to think to make Track Up fit in with my personal SA.
 
EdFred said:
See post 16. Nebraska, where the N on the helmets stand for "Nollege" :D

I bet if you did a poll on engineering (drawing) background and north up usage, it is pretty strong correlation. We do everything north up. When you overlay your flight path on the sectional on the foreflight GPS does it flip the chart, or does it keep the chart north up? And show the plane traveling along the map. I have yet to find an atlas or chart that isn't done north up.
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Be sure to let Lance F. know that he's not an engineer for using track up. Or the number of other engineers I've known that don't.

I've also known non engineers that run north up.

It doesn't matter. I don't care if a pilot is track up or north up. I can work either way. Why be so elitist? It doesn't matter at all.
 
EdFred said:
See post 16. Nebraska, where the N on the helmets stand for "Nollege" :D
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I ain't nebber herd dat one buffor. <knee slap>

Oh, by the way, how did you guys do last season? I saw you were bowl eligible. Great job!
 
jesse said:
Be sure to let Lance F. know that he's not an engineer for using track up. Or the number of other engineers I've known that don't.

I've also known non engineers that run north up.

It doesn't matter. I don't care if a pilot is track up or north up. I can work either way. Why be so elitist? It doesn't matter at all.
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Which Lance F? I'm talking construction drawings, not board level drawings.
 
jason said:
I ain't nebber herd dat one buffor. <knee slap>

Oh, by the way, how did you guys do last season? I saw you were bowl eligible. Great job!
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The last three years do not exist. I disowned the team when they hired that loser. Even had they won a bowl game.
 
jason said:
I ain't nebber herd dat one buffor. <knee slap>

Oh, by the way, how did you guys do last season? I saw you were bowl eligible. Great job!
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maybe i should wear my MAROON pullover at 6y9 ?.....:rofl:
 
EdFred said:
The last three years do not exist. I disowned the team when they hired that loser. Even had they won a bowl game.
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I hold charts north up and fly track up. I could careless if it's track up or north up really. It's not that big of deal.
 
whatever we all know you never fly with charts
 
I always held paper maps track up, especially when doing mapping from the airplane. North had no meaning to me since we did everything visually until the last couple years I was in the business.

I tried north up on the moving map a couple times in airplanes but many don't even have that option, especially when displaying radar and traffic so it's always track up now. On the other hand, I read approach plates north up.
 
I go wherever my squirted ketchup and/or mustard tells me to go. It's a natural extension of doing whatever my rice crispies tell me to do.
 
TangoWhiskey said:
I go wherever my squirted ketchup and/or mustard tells me to go. It's a natural extension of doing whatever my rice crispies tell me to do.
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Oh, no you don't. It's not a fair and balanced approach when you try to divert one argument by replacing it with another.

Are you running for congress or something? :rolleyes2:

:D:D:D
 
Larger aircraft are run in track up. You just get used to it over time. I now run the map on the 430 in track up. Its just what you get used to. If you fly a lot if instrument approaches it keeps the waypoints from cluttering over each other. Though i know many that swear by north up. They all have rationalizations on why it is a better way. Personally I think you should just use what you are more comfortable with and enjoy the flying.
 
Steve said:
i like the view out the window to match the moving map so i can turn to NRST without any delay in processing which way that is in case it becomes necessary
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If you're used to north up, there is no delay in interpreting what you see out the window.
 
It's all in training and habits. I'm a North Up guy, but I'm forcing myself to do some Track Up for those pilots/crews in CAP that can't handle both. ;)

Also had a CFI point out that up in the mountains, turning the actual chart Track Up in most situations really can give me (maybe you too) a better idea which valley to turn up if you're keeping your thumb on your location. He was quite adamant about it, actually.

I wasn't having any trouble doing the same thing with the chart North Up, but if it makes him feel better... my right and left brains get along, just fine. :D
 
I used to be north up always, maps, charts, GPS, everything. When I joined my flying club I asked the club CFI how to re-orient the 430s from track up to north up. He showed me how, but said I'd feel differently after a while. Then I started working on my IR. Once, when the workload was high, turning from a southbound course eastbound, I accidentially turned right instead of left. So I decided to try track up. There are still a lot of things I prefer north up for. I never hold maps or charts track up. But when flying approaches, or for matching up traffic or storm cells visually with what's shown on my GMX-200, it's track up for me. I do get what Kent is saying about the Great Lakes looking funny track up, in fact last night when I zoomed out to see how far away some approaching cells were, I had to double check the range to be sure that I was looking at Lake Huron and not Lake St. Clair. And when taxiing around the MFD takes long enough re-orienting the display after turns that it can be confusing. But for most cockpit tasks, I'm a convert to track up.
 
wsuffa said:
Oh, no you don't. It's not a fair and balanced approach when you try to divert one argument by replacing it with another.

Are you running for congress or something? :rolleyes2:

:D:D:D
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I'm lobbying for tomato and mustard seed farmer subsidies.
 
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