It is comong, A380 in Chicago

sure if they lose traction. i know that early on they had issues with the landing gear tearing up the ramp when it would try to turn. apparently the wheels didnt articulate or something. i havent seen the landing video, but I suspect that they engineered it to withstand the loads. Lots of things look a lot worse than they are.
 
It was reported that LAX spent $49 million to accommodate the -380 and looks to spend another $72 million for the Airbus. Sounds very high for just one type plane.
 
SkyHog said:
Is it even possible to ground loop an airplane with 20+ main wheels and a couple of nosewheels?
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Yes. A 747-400 lost traction at the old hong Kong Airport, spun around and went into the water. I saw it there a few days later when China Air was painting over their logos. No deaths but a very embarrassed crew and airline.
 
OK, I carefully looked at the film. The airplane was not in a crab when he touched down.

Anybody ever freeze frame this? The spoilers came out evenly. The thrust reversers did not come out until after the swerve. If you carefully watch the rudder while freeze framing the video, you will see that the swerve appeared to be a result of application of right rudder. And that was followed by a big rudder deflection to the left to couner the swerve.

Was that pilot induced? I don't know. Only the pilots know for sure. New airplane type, crew relatively unfamiliar, who knows.
 
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ApacheBob said:
I sincerely hope that it never ground loops. All those gyrations weren't imagination. But I gladly defer to your PhD in Structural Engineering.
ApacheBob
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If you were responding to me, you don't need a PhD to know that landing wasn't going to break the airplane. Yes it did swerve, but have you ever watched the internet footage of the crosswind landing tests ov various airplanes? This one didn't even come close.
 
I still have my doubts it will survive in the market. It just seems too huge and the cost of construction for accomodating it are staggering compared to what is already provided for.
 
KennyFlys said:
I still have my doubts it will survive in the market. It just seems too huge and the cost of construction for accomodating it are staggering compared to what is already provided for.
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The route that it can take and turn over a profit will be limited too. Personally I think it'll be like the Concorde all over again. A nice bird, ground breaking, but ultimately it's going to cost more money than it actually makes in the limit routes that it can run.
 
It's the Braniff Scenario. Braniff bought a 747, but the only way that they could afford it was to have it fly continuously and full. It did not work out.
I like the Concorde reference. I think that you are dead on.
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ApacheBob
 
KennyFlys said:
I still have my doubts it will survive in the market. It just seems too huge and the cost of construction for accomodating it are staggering compared to what is already provided for.
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It is all about the economics. I saw a stat on a news report (subject to the inaccuracies inherent in the source!) that the A-380 gets 80 seat-miles per gallon. Anyone know what the 747-400 gets? Remember the first 747 expanded long distance travel very significantly by lowering the seat mile cost a bunch.

The next task is filling those seats. You won't catch me on an A-380 for years. Let others flush out the bugs.

-Skip
 
tonycondon said:
sure if they lose traction. i know that early on they had issues with the landing gear tearing up the ramp when it would try to turn. apparently the wheels didnt articulate or something. i havent seen the landing video, but I suspect that they engineered it to withstand the loads. Lots of things look a lot worse than they are.
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Just great. Chicago has enough of a problem fixing potholes on the roads. That thing is going tear up the runways at O'Hare.

No wonder Duh Mare wants more runways at O'Hare. Duh guys wit duh nose like dis dat got the concrete contract - and the no bid deal to dig up Meigs at midnight - are going to be set forever.

NOTAM: KORD 14L closed UFN. A380 landed.
 
uhhh yea that was a problem early on, as in, its been fixed...
 
I think that the A380 is a technical marvel and, except for the obvious issues of too damn many people on one plane, I would not hesitate to fly on it. If this plane's economics allow a cheaper trip to Australia, bring it on.

But.

It will never come remotely close to breaking even, and will be a business-school "wrong move" case study for years to come.
 
i saw the video of both JFK and LAX landing on CNBC a few days ago...
they had a tail cam on the one at JFK and they showed that during the approach...they also had in flight footage and showed the inside and the people sleeping in the beds...pretty nice if you ask me...

The LAX landing seemed almost like a crosswind landing...just as the wheels touch you can see the rudder swinging back and forth to its extent a few times...
I already made a post about this also in the other thread about the 380 at JFK..
 
SupraPilot said:
The LAX landing seemed almost like a crosswind landing...just as the wheels touch you can see the rudder swinging back and forth to its extent a few times...
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And we all know what happens when you do that! :hairraise:

I'll stay off the 380's, thankyouverymuch. I'm not fond of the rest of the Airbussen either.

What's the difference between an Airbus and a chainsaw? About 300 trees per minute. :rofl: :hairraise:
 
You know, every time we talk about how luxurious the A380 is going to be, "oh it's going to have a casino, oh it's going to have a bar, oh it's going to have it's own movie theater!", I just have to wonder if all of that is really going to happen. Five bucks says that the A380 will end up having the seating arrangement like every other airliners out there, you know with everyone packed in like sardines.
 
Tarheel Pilot said:
You know, every time we talk about how luxurious the A380 is going to be, "oh it's going to have a casino, oh it's going to have a bar, oh it's going to have it's own movie theater!", I just have to wonder if all of that is really going to happen. Five bucks says that the A380 will end up having the seating arrangement like every other airliners out there, you know with everyone packed in like sardines.
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I believe we saw the same thing for the B747 early on. That certainly hasn't survived.
The closest to luxury that airlines have is Virgin Atlantics individual TVs at each seat (including economy!).
Now, you're lucky you even get a meal.
 
It was interesting to see. But I prefer being on a 747 or a 777 instead...

If I can figure out how to get that picture/video out of my phone into a post...

(or maybe forward it to Greebo so he can post it?)
 
silver-eagle said:
The closest to luxury that airlines have is Virgin Atlantics individual TVs at each seat (including economy!).
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I had the same thing on an AA 777. They'd also sent one out packed to the gills from LHR -> ORD about an hour before, and I was on the second which was only about 1/3 full. I had the window seat, the aisle seat, and the seat in between. I had movies going on one of the TV's, a map of our location on the second, and altitude/airspeed/etc. on the third. :)

And even with three seats I couldn't sleep. :(
 
flyingcheesehead said:
I had the same thing on an AA 777. They'd also sent one out packed to the gills from LHR -> ORD about an hour before, and I was on the second which was only about 1/3 full. I had the window seat, the aisle seat, and the seat in between. I had movies going on one of the TV's, a map of our location on the second, and altitude/airspeed/etc. on the third. :)

And even with three seats I couldn't sleep. :(
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It's no wonder you couldn't sleep. I'd have a diffcult time as well keeping the instrument scan going across three seats! :eek:
 
Tarheel Pilot said:
You know, every time we talk about how luxurious the A380 is going to be, "oh it's going to have a casino, oh it's going to have a bar, oh it's going to have it's own movie theater!", I just have to wonder if all of that is really going to happen. Five bucks says that the A380 will end up having the seating arrangement like every other airliners out there, you know with everyone packed in like sardines.
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Afew hours after the late local newscasts showed footage of that double-decker, 550-passenger, jumbo Airbus A-380 landing at O'Hare, "Airport '77" was showing on one of those cable channels that numbers in the 500s.

An early sequence is all about showcasing the amazing, double-deck Boeing 747, with an interior that looks more like an upscale restaurant and nightclub than an aircraft. There's a conference room, a piano bar (featuring the song stylings of Tom Sullivan, a blind balladeer who was briefly famous in the 1970s), a bedroom, a chef's kitchen, a table-top Pong game, and much more. As Lee Grant meanders about, it's nearly impossible to tell we're on a plane -- until Capt. Don Gallagher (Lemmon) appears on a wide-screen TV and invites passengers to enjoy the takeoff "from a plane's eye view."
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http://www.suntimes.com/news/roeper/308216,CST-NWS-roep22.article
 
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