Is trading labor/skills for flight training still a thing?

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Hello all, I am new to the forum (and to flying). I have always wanted to get my license but never could afford to. A long time ago I read where several people have traded work from their skill set in exchange for flight lessons/ hours, etc from a CFI. Is this something people still do? If so, I have a proposition for anyone interested in bartering this way in the Jacksonville/ St. Augustine FL area. I am an automotive refinisher with nearly 20 years of experience, specializing in restoration work. I have painted everything from bicycles to military equipment and vehicles for the government. Motorcycles, classic cars, even small airplanes. If this is something you or someone you know would be interested in, please reach out. I will do a live demonstration in front of you before proceeding if you wish. Even though I can afford lessons, I feel like some people may be more interested in bartering because it’s rare these days that people feel like they get their money’s worth for the work they pay to have done to their vehicle. They feel like they spent too much or the quality is just not there for the money they did spend. This is a way where no money is exchanged and everyone is happy in the end. If this isn’t allowed, feel free to delete the post. I am just feeling out the community to see if it is a viable option or whether I should spend the money instead. Thank you!
 
I'm familiar with this. I've heard some folks trade CFI services to a plane owner for use of their plane.
I teach boxing on the side as well, and one of my friends traded 100 private boxing lessons for a boat! Another, traded lessons to a lawyer for a steep discount on divorce services.
Once you find a willing CFI, now you have to find a plane.
 
It’s not a thing because too many people propose these arrangements and don’t pay by performing the services….That’s why we have money to exchange. And with cash I can buy whatever I want, when I want and not what you have to offer and are willing to do it.
 
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It’s a thing, but like any specialty, you limit the market to people whose service you desire AND who desire your service AND who can accept your service in trade. You’re basically eliminating flight school employees (unless it’s the boss who wants the service-I’ve seen that.)

Bottom line is that it’s doable, but you’re probably going to have to work harder to find an instructor. Posting here is probably a good start.
 
I'm only familiar with unskilled trade for flight time -- wash thousands of plane bellies, fuel thousands of planes after flight lessons, help the mx staff on dozens of 100-hr and annuals, get enough credit to PPL after a year or two.
 
Cost is in the plane rental or use.
If you owned your own plane then it might work.
 
Thanks for the input, I know it’s an odd trade off, but in Florida that’s basically all there is down here are toys. Airplanes, nice cars, boats, mansions, etc. there’s a huge market down here for the trade, just a matter of finding a CFI with toys they would like painted. And as for @Clip4 response, with something like I’m offering, it’s not a 30 minute process, and would be time consuming. Meaning, if I were to “not pay” by haulting work, the pilot would obviously halt his end. It’s a give and take arrangement. And again, sometimes people don’t feel like they get their moneys worth for things or feel like the quality isn’t there. This is a mutual arrangement to where both parties would be happy and I think someone needing the work would see that because after all, automotive painting and restoration is NOT cheap by any means.
 
Yeah, pretty much this would work IF the person providing the services is independently able to finance things like insurance, fuel, hangar, and maintenance costs AND you have a skill they need. I'd trade instructor time for some vehicle work in the Dallas area, possibly, but the condition would be that you'd have to work with time slots I'd pick and still pay for the aircraft.
 
Most CFIs are entering their "money for ramen only" phase in the airline hiring cycle again, so I'm not sure what toys they'd need restoring except their 1998 Altima. :)

Since you're in FL you should sniff around the airparks in the area, stuffed with retired airline captains and other similar wogs. Those are the CFIs that have toys you'll wanna attempt to barter with.
 
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Thanks for the input, I know it’s an odd trade off, but in Florida that’s basically all there is down here are toys. Airplanes, nice cars, boats, mansions, etc. there’s a huge market down here for the trade, just a matter of finding a CFI with toys they would like painted. And as for @Clip4 response, with something like I’m offering, it’s not a 30 minute process, and would be time consuming. Meaning, if I were to “not pay” by haulting work, the pilot would obviously halt his end. It’s a give and take arrangement. And again, sometimes people don’t feel like they get their moneys worth for things or feel like the quality isn’t there. This is a mutual arrangement to where both parties would be happy and I think someone needing the work would see that because after all, automotive painting and restoration is NOT cheap by any means.
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Still a whole lot easier me taking cash. Maybe you are great, maybe you aren’t and ruin the finish on my car. Too many risks and very little (if any) upside.

Generally when people propose stuff like this it’s because they want to trade future labor for goods and services today, that’s what lenders are for. Besides, you can always just do some cash jobs on the side first and pay the CFI.
 
I bet you could do a great job painting a plane. That might hit closer to home as a service to offer to an owner/CFI. (Edit: I see that you mentioned that you have painted small planes. End Edit)

If you were closer, I would barter with you to see what we could work out.
I'm due for a strip & paint!
 
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Blackwing said:
Thanks for the input, I know it’s an odd trade off, but in Florida that’s basically all there is down here are toys. Airplanes, nice cars, boats, mansions, etc. there’s a huge market down here for the trade, just a matter of finding a CFI with toys they would like painted. And as for @Clip4 response, with something like I’m offering, it’s not a 30 minute process, and would be time consuming. Meaning, if I were to “not pay” by haulting work, the pilot would obviously halt his end. It’s a give and take arrangement. And again, sometimes people don’t feel like they get their moneys worth for things or feel like the quality isn’t there. This is a mutual arrangement to where both parties would be happy and I think someone needing the work would see that because after all, automotive painting and restoration is NOT cheap by any means.
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Bartering flight instruction for other goods and services is certainly a thing, especially in high volume GA areas like FL, AZ, TX, and CA. I’ve done it and will continue. It would be difficult if not impossible in a flight school environment. But there are many GA aircraft owners that have a CFI cert that don’t work for a flight school. I know several owners that keep their CFI active by giving instruction to one or two students throughout the year, usually to family or friends or friends kids/nephews/nieces/grandkids, etc. These instructors are some of the best instructors as they are by no means trying to build hours and are just doing it for fun and or to make their contribution to GA. Many are current or retired airline or military pilots. The hardest part is making contact with these pilots, since it’s nearly impossible to access an airport and get to the hangars where these people hang out, without having gate access to said airport. Fortunately for you, a LOT of GA owners also tend to like classic cars and motorcycles. Stay motivated and keep advertising yourself. There is an owner/CFI that is willing to work with you in your area…I guarantee it.
 
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I bet you could do a great job painting a plane. That might hit closer to home as a service to offer to an owner/CFI. (Edit: I see that you mentioned that you have painted small planes. End Edit)

If you were closer, I would barter with you to see what we could work out.
I'm due for a strip & paint!
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All my local airports forbid painting of planes except in an approved facility.

My recommendation is work hard bank money and use a flight school.
 
IDK man, I've heard you can get people to wash your plane in return for taking them flying. I tried and struck out. Apparently its not a thing in my area. I mean I only asked my son, but still if anyone would say yes it would be him, right?
 
dcat127 said:
IDK man, I've heard you can get people to wash your plane in return for taking them flying. I tried and struck out. Apparently its not a thing in my area. I mean I only asked my son, but still if anyone would say yes it would be him, right?
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Ok, someone will wash your airplane for flight time. Who’s water and ramp are they using?
 
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Ok, someone will wash your airplane for flight time. Who’s water and ramp are they using?
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Waterless washing is a thing. SouthWest has jets waterless washed at night at ATL

Even at Allegiant I've seen it done on RON AC.

From the ad's I've seen a light GA AC is $200-300+. More if you want it waxed.
 
OP if you are a professional painter then you should have zero problems finding side work at shops to repaint AC or even become a traveling painter.

You would bank WAY more cash this way rather than bartering.
 
I think painting a aircraft is not the same as painting cars, truck, boats etc.
It's way more work. You need lot's more knowledge to paint a plane. Traveling around would make it even more challenging.
Plus you need a well equipped hangar to paint a aircraft in which I think would tough to find.
It would take one painter forever to paint a plane by one's self.
Maybe just get a job at a aircraft painting shop that would be located at a airport? After work take the money you earned and take flight lessons at the same airport.
 
If you are skilled at shooting paint, you should absolutely be able to find an arrangement like this ... especially if you come with your own gear. I recommend joining an EAA chapter or two. Also try to find an A&P to work with on certified planes.
 
It's a thing BUT both parties have to be on the same page with clear communication. About 75% of my flight training was paid for by doing metal fabrication work for the flight school. (I didn't work on planes, just the facility)
 
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