Is there anyway to come back from an FAA Emergency Revocation

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So as the title shows I received this lovely letter. What happened was I made a very foolish mistake early on in my flight lessons. (I was 19 during this)

I made a cross country flight without authorization (I forgot one signature). When I got back the flight school told me I messed up bad and told me I wasn't welcomed back. I received a letter in the mail a week later from the FAA about a hotline tip they received and was told to do a neurological medical examination.

During the exam I told the doctor about my depression and anxiety due to this event (I also had clinical depression listed on my medical records but that was treated way before I started flying). I also don't think I performed that well, I just remembered being up in my head anxious about the whole thing and just couldn't think clearly.

Well now after 3 years from this event I received an order of emergency revocation, I was told to return any medical certificates (not my pilots certificate, but it's only a student pilot certificate) and now my question is how would I come back from this? I don't plan on flying commercially, just small aircraft. It's been 3 years from this event and I've changed as a man, I am not the same anxious kid. Should I try and appeal this decision now or later?
 
Yeah I'd use Fake Name with a story this weak. Is your real name Bunk Bunkerson?

This never happened and whatever reddit@rd this is has done less than zero research.

Do better with the next troll and drop story, OP this one is so lame it has Polio.
 
Kenny Phillips said:
"Forgot one signature" but the flight school ditched you? And now, for the rest of the story ...
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I've been struggling was struggling at this flight school for a little bit and I was just juggled around instructors. I forgot the signature that authorized me to do the cross country (I got the one that showed I sat down with my instructor and talked about my flight plan but not the one authorizing me to fly. If you want I can try and dig out my log book and give you the exact wording)
 
Fake Name said:
I've been struggling was struggling at this flight school for a little bit and I was just juggled around instructors. I forgot the signature that authorized me to do the cross country (I got the one that showed I sat down with my instructor and talked about my flight plan but not the one authorizing me to fly. If you want I can try and dig out my log book and give you the exact wording)
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As a student you can only fly if your instructor authorizes you to. If a signature was "forgotten", that would be the instructor's fault. But the hotline tip, being expelled from the school, and FAA investigation seem to suggest the problem was not with the instructor. Performing an unauthorized flight is not a symptom of "anxiety" but rather is a symptom of hazardous attitudes, including anti-authority and impulsivity.
 
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dmspilot said:
As a student you can only fly if your instructor authorizes you to. If a signature was "forgotten", that would be the instructor's fault. But the hotline tip, being expelled from the school, and FAA investigation seem to suggest the problem was not with the instructor. Performing an unauthorized flight is not a symptom of "anxiety" but rather is a symptom of hazardous attitudes, including anti-authority and impulsivity.
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Honestly you are right on why the flight happened and why I was kicked out and a call was made. I didn't mean for why I did the flight to be a cause of anxiety and depression.
But I am now required to return my medical certificate based on my depression and anxiety is what they're stating. And I was wondering if there was anyway to reobtain my medical certificate.
 
Fake Name said:
So as the title shows I received this lovely letter. What happened was I made a very foolish mistake early on in my flight lessons. (I was 19 during this)

I made a cross country flight without authorization (I forgot one signature). When I got back the flight school told me I messed up bad and told me I wasn't welcomed back. I received a letter in the mail a week later from the FAA about a hotline tip they received and was told to do a neurological medical examination.

During the exam I told the doctor about my depression and anxiety due to this event (I also had clinical depression listed on my medical records but that was treated way before I started flying). I also don't think I performed that well, I just remembered being up in my head anxious about the whole thing and just couldn't think clearly.

Well now after 3 years from this event I received an order of emergency revocation, I was told to return any medical certificates (not my pilots certificate, but it's only a student pilot certificate) and now my question is how would I come back from this? I don't plan on flying commercially, just small aircraft. It's been 3 years from this event and I've changed as a man, I am not the same anxious kid. Should I try and appeal this decision now or later?
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So clearly I worded my post poorly based on the reception. So ignore the flight and my reasoning for being kicked out. dmspilot made a good point on why it happened.
The main point of this post was that I received a letter of an "emergency revocation order" and now I must return my medical certificate and now do I come back from this. I don't plan on flying commercially I just want a PPL
 
The revocation of your pilot certificate is probably coming. That’s typical when medical revocation is due to misstatement/fraud.

The pilot certificate can typically be reapplied for after 6 months. Medical reapplication can also be successful but there will be hoops to jump through.

Appeal after revocation is subject to specific timelines and complex procedures and rules. It’s not something that can usually be effectively handled alone. Your revocation notices should describe them.

Finally, don’t base your actions in what SGOTI (including me) say. Get professional advice from someone who can review the entire record.
 
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Flying without “permission” is an enforcement issue. Doesn’t look like they care about that. If anyone should be scared, it’s the flight school that allows it to happen…

The depression issue is nearly certainly what provoked the “emergency revocation”. Yes, that’s recoverable. It’s a mess, but it’s recoverable.

This is backed up by the fact they want your medical, not student pilot cert.

Find an AME and start there.

Edit: the “revocation” means nothing more than we wanna see more at this point. That’s it.

Getting “kicked out” of a flight school means zero. I had lots of nit wit instructors want to kick students out every time they screwed up. By they I mean when the instructors screwed up… geesh.
 
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You'd get better answers if you ant least admitted you took an unauthorized joyride in the school's airplane and lied on the medical application.
 
Fake Name said:
I received a letter in the mail a week later from the FAA about a hotline tip they received and was told to do a neurological medical examination.

During the exam I told the doctor about my depression and anxiety due to this event (I also had clinical depression listed on my medical records but that was treated way before I started flying). I also don't think I performed that well, I just remembered being up in my head anxious about the whole thing and just couldn't think clearly.
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So... you had a diagnosis of clinical depression but failed to disclose it on your initial medical application? One of the "have you ever" questions? You do realize that's a felony?

Reading between the lines, I'm guessing your reacted badly or violently when you got yelled at for taking the plane without authorization, so badly that they kicked you out and reported you to the FAA as having potential mental issues, leading to a request for an evaluation... at which point your omission on your medical application came out. Am I right?

You have a very long, difficult, and expensive road in front of you.
 
Fake Name said:
So as the title shows I received this lovely letter. What happened was I made a very foolish mistake early on in my flight lessons. (I was 19 during this)

I made a cross country flight without authorization (I forgot one signature). When I got back the flight school told me I messed up bad and told me I wasn't welcomed back. I received a letter in the mail a week later from the FAA about a hotline tip they received and was told to do a neurological medical examination.

During the exam I told the doctor about my depression and anxiety due to this event (I also had clinical depression listed on my medical records but that was treated way before I started flying). I also don't think I performed that well, I just remembered being up in my head anxious about the whole thing and just couldn't think clearly.

Well now after 3 years from this event I received an order of emergency revocation, I was told to return any medical certificates (not my pilots certificate, but it's only a student pilot certificate) and now my question is how would I come back from this? I don't plan on flying commercially, just small aircraft. It's been 3 years from this event and I've changed as a man, I am not the same anxious kid. Should I try and appeal this decision now or later?
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Something doesn't sound right here. Legalities aside, if the instructor simply forgot to sign your xc endorsement, then that error is him as well. It is easily correctible by making the endorsement after the fact. But if the flight school wants you out and reported you to the FAA, that sounds far more serious. There is something you are not telling us here.
 
Take up ultralights, gliders, or powered paragliding. You dint need a medical for any of those to get back in the air. All other options are going to be expensive and difficult.
 
''Unauthorized Flight" sounds like a stolen airplane.

Forgotten signature would be the instructors fault, which also means flight school fault.

Fake Name said:
During the exam I told the doctor about my depression and anxiety due to this event
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This would be the main problem. Time to call the experts.
 
kmacht said:
Take up ultralights, gliders, or powered paragliding. You dint need a medical for any of those to get back in the air. All other options are going to be expensive and difficult.
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Or possibly Sport pilot?.. especially nice if MOSAIC works out.
 
If you don't want to fly for a career, I would go live your life for a decade, then find an AME and start working your way through the hoops. Will be easier to make the "I was a scared kid" argument after you have a substantial period of normal adult life under your belt without a recurrence of anxiety or depression. Good luck, I feel for you.
 
Ed Haywood said:
If you don't want to fly for a career, I would go live your life for a decade, then find an AME and start working your way through the hoops. Will be easier to make the "I was a scared kid" argument after you have a substantial period of normal adult life under your belt without a recurrence of anxiety or depression. Good luck, I feel for you.
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I was almost going to post the same thing yesterday, but not as well written or kind. Ed is a nicer person than me. I just didn't see much difference in three years.
 
Fake Name said:
So as the title shows I received this lovely letter. What happened was I made a very foolish mistake early on in my flight lessons. (I was 19 during this)

I made a cross country flight without authorization (I forgot one signature). When I got back the flight school told me I messed up bad and told me I wasn't welcomed back. I received a letter in the mail a week later from the FAA about a hotline tip they received and was told to do a neurological medical examination.

During the exam I told the doctor about my depression and anxiety due to this event (I also had clinical depression listed on my medical records but that was treated way before I started flying). I also don't think I performed that well, I just remembered being up in my head anxious about the whole thing and just couldn't think clearly.

Well now after 3 years from this event I received an order of emergency revocation, I was told to return any medical certificates (not my pilots certificate, but it's only a student pilot certificate) and now my question is how would I come back from this? I don't plan on flying commercially, just small aircraft. It's been 3 years from this event and I've changed as a man, I am not the same anxious kid. Should I try and appeal this decision now or later?
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Your story is a bit odd. It is unlikely that one week after this event you received a letter about medical qualifications. The medical division doesn’t handle Part 61 and 91 violations and they are rather slow with most actions, ie 3 years for an emergency revocation.

I also don’t believe the FAA would have ordered a neurological medical examination based on a hotline tip that you conducted an XC without CFI authorization.

The FAA hotline tip may have been weeks prior to your violation by a school employee who did not believe you were behaving normally. The tip may have also originated from a close friend or family member who knew your medical history and feared you operating an aircraft.

Unless an AME totaled missed your disclosure of depression, you lied on the application. What exactly is the basis of your appeal?

You minimally need diagnostic testing and possibly treatment before you revisit the FAA.
 
Do student pilot certificates have an expiration date?
 
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