IR training without GPS?

[poadeleted20]

Thanks for the replies everyone.

near future= day after I get my IR up to the day I start flying something with a FMS. I can do my IR training in a gns430 or g1000 equipped plane as well.

sounds like I'll ultimately be better training with a gps since that is what i'll be flying after my rating.

If you will be flying an FMS-equipped plane the day after you get your IR, you should do your IR training in that FMS-equipped plane. That said, a G1000/Perspective system is about as close to an FMS as you can get in a light single.

 

[dtuuri]

The way I counted it, it was 6 for training with the gps and 8 saying needles only. didn't seem to be an overwhelming consensus either way.

I got 6-9, my favor , which is one flipped mind from "two out of three", but I'm not betting on my math.

I have been going through the lessons on your site, that is a very helpful resource, thank you for making it available.

That's great! If you finish all the tutorials and look up the terms and concepts in the FAA handbooks I have links for, you'll get the big picture. In the second Part, if you do attitude flying, the 'B' Pattern, procedure turns, holding patterns, and "Needle Work" on a desktop simulator using steam gauges, you'll have the skills to practice approaches using them too. After all that, jump into whatever GPS-equipped airplane you think you're going to take your test in and adapt to the knobology. The basics will have been covered.

dtuuri

 

[dtuuri]

Well, the POH is vague on that, though one can put in a Garmin GNC 255 navcom radio which uses the Dynon HSI as a CDI. But the FAA says LSA may not fly IFR, at least that is my understanding of the regs.

I do plan to get an instrument ticket, but I will do it on sims, and eventually sell the CTLSi and upgrade to the new C4 which comes with a GTN 750.

Is Dynon stuff TSO'd for IFR? Pity you don't have an instrument rating--you can't even take your own advice! Then again, I don't have a medical, so I can't take mine either.

dtuuri

 

[CTLSi]

Actually I believe it is SP cannot fly IFR, the restriction being on the pilot, not category of aircraft. I believe it is fine for an IR rated PP to get in an LSA equipped for IFR and go file and fly.

If true, then I may just get the navcom radio for the plane and train in my own plane once again for the instrument ticket. Do you know this for sure?

 

[CTLSi]

Is Dynon stuff TSO'd for IFR? Pity you don't have an instrument rating--you can't even take your own advice! Then again, I don't have a medical, so I can't take mine either.

dtuuri

Yes, Dynon Skyview is IFR capable.

http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/news_version_60_08April2013.html

To do it, I would need to replace my Garmin GTR 225 with a GNC 255 nav/com/vor/ils/gs radio. http://tinyurl.com/qhhksff

 

[Henning]

If true, then I may just get the navcom radio for the plane and train in my own plane once again for the instrument ticket. Do you know this for sure?

Yeah, the catch being the manufacturer may have to approve the airframe for IMC. The DA-20 has a similar issue due to construction and lack of lightning protection, (explodes the composite fittings on a strike at the wing bolts IIRC). They always had IFR panels and radios though and you can train for your IR and even take the checkride in it, but must remain in VMC. I would imagine if you have the required radios in the CTSi that you could do similarly in it. If you want the C4 anyway though, then it wouldn't make much sense as you would want to do your IR training in it since you will actually take it into IMC where as the CTSi you will not.

I'm pretty sure there is at least one LSA aircraft manufacturer approved for IFR. Well, the manual for your CTSi should actually answer that question. If it is set up anything like a standard AFM/POH, in the first couple of pages it will say what type of flight it is approved for, Day VFR, Day/Night VFR, IFR, Flight into Known Icing Conditions; those are what you find in the FAA certified planes, and I suspect that the LSA-ATSM compliant planes will follow suit.

 

[poadeleted20]

Actually I believe it is SP cannot fly IFR, the restriction being on the pilot, not category of aircraft. I believe it is fine for an IR rated PP to get in an LSA equipped for IFR and go file and fly.

Henning's belief is incorrect. There are only two LSA's which are certified for IFR operation -- the Sportstar Max (when properly equipped from the factory with the IFR option) and one of the Zeniths (CH650, IIRC). The industry is working on a consensus standard for IFR certification of LSA's, but only those two were certified for IFR before the industry realized it had no consensus standard so no others could be certified.

However, you can still do all the necessary training for IR and take the IR practical test in an LSA which is not certified for IFR as long as it has all the equipment listed in 91.205(d) for IFR flight, the altimeter/static system are certified per 91.411, and the transponder is certified per 91.413. In that case, you can file IFR for instrument training with an instrument instructor or for the practical test with a DPE, but you must stay in VMC, and if you can't, you have to cancel IFR and remain in VMC. Of course, you can't then fly it IFR after you get your rating, but you can do the training and get the rating for use in something else later on.