iPad Pro 13" on the passenger side, Socata Tampico

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I have a Socata Tampico, TB9, and it has absolutely nothing on the passenger side of the panel. I mean nothing. I just ordered an iPad Pro M4, 512GB, WiFi plus Cellular (unlocked). I'm going to mount that sucker on the passenger side and run Foreflight on it.

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Can you start with a suction mount for the window and use it to see value before modifications?
 
Attaching the mount will not require a 337 as described in Policy PS-ACE-23-01:

Installation of mounting devices:

Portable devices may be attached to the airplane by an installed mounting device, and may connect to airplane power and interface with various installed systems during normal operation and use. Section 23.1309, in part, requires such connectivity to not adversely impact the operation of required equipment or adversely impact flight safety.
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The mounting device installation, including the PED system power and data connectivity may be considered a minor alteration. The intended function and operating limitations must be considered in the installation of the mounting device and PED. For an installation to be considered a minor alteration:

 The PED must not replace any system or equipment required by regulations.

 The information accessible via the PED must not be confused with primary flight information, nor may it contradict that information.

 The mounting device installation and attached PED must be placarded appropriately for its intended function and limitations. (Example “Not approved For Primary Navigation.”)

 The layout of required equipment must not be affected by installation of the mounting device or by attachment of the PED to that mount, or by connection of any wiring provisions to the mount or the PED.

 The installed mounting device (or other securing mechanism) that attaches or allows mounting of the PED system must not be positioned in a way that obstructs visual or physical access to aircraft controls, displays, flight crew ingress or egress, or external vision.

 It is recommended that the mount design allow the user easy access to the PED controls and a clear view of the PED display while in use.

 The mount in small airplanes may be installed in the Primary Maximum Field of View (as defined in AC 23.1311-1B) but must not be installed in the Primary Field of View and must not be the primary point of focus.

 If the installed mount or wiring provisions include cabling to mate with airplane systems, the cable must be installed in accordance with the requirements of AC 43.13-1B.

 It is recommended that temporary cabling not hang loosely or in a way that compromises task performance and safety. Flight crewmembers should be able to secure easily the temporary cables out of the way during aircraft operations (e.g., cable tether straps).

 The installed mount and any required electrical wiring must be composed of acceptable materials.

 If the attached PED can be connected, either wired or wirelessly, to other airplane systems, it must not transmit any data to installed equipment unless the connection is specifically approved under TC or STC. Attached PEDs may receive data from installed equipment.

 Attached PED failures must not adversely affect other installed airplane systems or adversely impact flight safety.
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Look at the MyGoFlight articulated mount. Pricey but darn rock solid. The plane I just bought had a base on each side of the panel so I bought one with the cradle for an ipad air. I see why it cost a bit; the quality is second to none.
 
AK737pilot said:
Attaching the mount will not require a 337 as described in Policy PS-ACE-23-01:
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I cannot thank you enough for what you posted.
I’ve been away from aviation for a while and missed the FAA getting out of the way of sanity & safety on this. I’m sort of shocked.

I did a flight review a year ago in a rented plane.
Took 6 months to find my aircraft keys & logs.
Got it running in June.
Got it in annual before Christmas.
Flew it & got another flight review in December, and have added a dozen hours.
Still catching up on what has changed I the last 7 years.
 
I tried the 13” iPad awhile back on the passenger side of my Sling TSi and had to give it up. Loved the large size for charts and all but it used a lot of battery and ran hot. Additionally it absorbed more sunlight due to the large size, so I was often fighting overheating. They didn’t have a 13” X-Naut cooling case at that time and the Sling design often has sunlight hitting the iPad. I switched back to the 11” iPad with the X-Naut cooling case and it runs perfectly now.
 
Craig Valentine said:
I tried the 13” iPad awhile back on the passenger side of my Sling TSi and had to give it up. Loved the large size for charts and all but it used a lot of battery and ran hot. Additionally it absorbed more sunlight due to the large size, so I was often fighting overheating. They didn’t have a 13” X-Naut cooling case at that time and the Sling design often has sunlight hitting the iPad. I switched back to the 11” iPad with the X-Naut cooling case and it runs perfectly now.
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I am planning on adding a fan & I have power ports, so I should be ok.
 
1) Whatever you do, don't make it permanent. The newest I Pad will be old in a year or so.

2) Test it out to get the best angle, what works in flight, etc. The I Pad isn't sunlight readable. Experiment with its placement to get the best viewing.
 
WDD said:
1) Whatever you do, don't make it permanent. The newest I Pad will be old in a year or so.

2) Test it out to get the best angle, what works in flight, etc. The I Pad isn't sunlight readable. Experiment with its placement to get the best viewing.
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I’ve steered away from anything that is model specific.
I picked the M4 because it has a way higher screen brightness than the iPad Air models.
 
I put a iPad 10" screen in my c172 as primary instrument and replaced the round gauges..... I have a smart phone with EFIS app as backup on right side. the iPad is wired to a EFIS box from experimental world where pilot static lines plug in so has real data and you program in the airspeed limit lines as Vso... also has adsb and GPS so I get traffic and wx. I put the efis app on the left of screen and foreflight on right for mixing map evt.. Works great. I did mount a fan behind it which seems to do the job over last 3 years, but expect bigger iPad may make more heat. I would also suggest a screen protector that reduces glare. I am considering a bigger screen iPad to incorporate other info....please keep us posted.

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You’re using an I pad as your primary flight instruments?????
 
AlphaPilotFlyer said:
I put a iPad 10" screen in my c172 as primary instrument and replaced the round gauges..... I have a smart phone with EFIS app as backup on right side. the iPad is wired to a EFIS box from experimental world where pilot static lines plug in so has real data and you program in the airspeed limit lines as Vso... also has adsb and GPS so I get traffic and wx. I put the efis app on the left of screen and foreflight on right for mixing map evt.. Works great. I did mount a fan behind it which seems to do the job over last 3 years, but expect bigger iPad may make more heat. I would also suggest a screen protector that reduces glare. I am considering a bigger screen iPad to incorporate other info....please keep us posted.

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Um. Where is that EFIS app getting its data from? Do you have some sort of external ADAHRS that feeds it?
 
yes...works well. can even change screen to dipict 6 pack display. Theres a subscription service for flight director option.... got a free year when I bought the unit but didn't use it much. Theres a lot of great ippad apps out there to further enhance display. A bigger iPad could allow engine indications, system status and checklist. the c172 is operated in experimental category so stuff like this allowed.
 
And what happens when the I pad over heats, runs out of power, or you can’t see it because the sun is too bright?
 
EFIS is fed by pitot static inputs. a remote heading sensor and ADSB antenna..ADHRS data driven from internal components. ..has own back up battery good for over an hour if power is lost. ... but iPad can also display flight data from internal GPS and gyro circuit which is more than accurate and iPad battery last over 2 hours as well.
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Um. Where is that EFIS app getting its data from? Do you have some sort of external ADAHRS that feeds it?
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AlphaPilotFlyer said:
yes...works well. can even change screen to dipict 6 pack display. Theres a subscription service for flight director option.... got a free year when I bought the unit but didn't use it much. Theres a lot of great ippad apps out there to further enhance display. A bigger iPad could allow engine indications, system status and checklist. the c172 is operated in experimental category so stuff like this allowed.
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So where does it get its data? What's the hardware called?

Looks like it's experimental for the engine. Is this something you're gonna bring to market for the rest of us?
 
Take a look at the iLevil 3AW. It's a little AHRS box that you plumb into your pitot static system. Wirelessly connect it to your iPad and you get all your flight information, adsb-in, and gps. It's even got NORSEE approval for installation in a certified airplane! With that, you can't remove any certified/required instruments, but, like, AlphaPilotFlyer, you put the iPad where you can see both it and your TCDS required instruments and you're good to go!
 
crash of course ........But no issues in 4 years in all temps and direct sunlight
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And what happens when the I pad over heats, runs out of power, or you can’t see it because the sun is too bright?
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flyingcheesehead said:
So where does it get its data? What's the hardware called?

Looks like it's experimental for the engine. Is this something you're gonna bring to market for the rest of us?
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FAA made it clear they don't want anything to make flying old planes cheaper and keep em flying. there's info on website specific to your question www.corsairv8.com

specifically to your question, our plan was to sell fire wall forward kits for c172,182, pa28 but FAA won't have us even continue development for even experimental even after giving checkrides in it.
 
AlphaPilotFlyer said:
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FAA made it clear they don't want anything to make flying old planes cheaper and keep em flying. there's info on website specific to your question www.corsairv8.com

specifically to your question, our plan was to sell fire wall forward kits for c172,182, pa28 but FAA won't have us even continue development for even experimental even after giving checkrides in it.
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Ugh... That was sad to read.

But I'm still curious what hardware you're using to get the necessary data from the plane to the iPad?
 
AK737pilot said:
Take a look at the iLevil 3AW. It's a little AHRS box that you plumb into your pitot static system. Wirelessly connect it to your iPad and you get all your flight information, adsb-in, and gps. It's even got NORSEE approval for installation in a certified airplane! With that, you can't remove any certified/required instruments, but, like, AlphaPilotFlyer, you put the iPad where you can see both it and your TCDS required instruments and you're good to go!
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I have heard good things about the Ilevel efis.... the reason I didn't go with ilevel was it didn't have a remote heading sensor. I have the TALOS avionics unit in our c172. our engine is software controlled and uses digital signals to a digital engine display on panel that does a lot of things. We are working on getting the iPad to display these indications as well.

For a certified aircraft, I think I would yank out all the original instruments and put a certied all in one 3" ADHRS unit in the center and install something like the iLevel with iPad display. Or simply install the iPad on right side if keeping original instruments (which would be easier from FAA stand point).
 
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