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EAST NEEDS DC-3-TP TYPE rated experienced pilots. Must have 2500 hours of fixed wing hours, of which 1000 hours must be turbine engine time; 200 hours as PIC in DC-3-TP; and NVG qualified with 100 hours of NVG fixed wing time. Also requires FAA Commercial or ATP with Instrument and AMEL rating, Class II Medical, and FAA CFI a plus. Position requires U.S. Secret Clearance. Overseas location. Fax or email resume, copies of FAA licenses, current medical certificate, and passport to: (321) 777-1811, Attn: EAST HR or E-mail resume to: EASTResume@ginl.state.gov No phone calls please. An Equal Opportunity Employer. (6-08).
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Hmmm, secret clearance and DC-3 turbines in an overseas location? Hmmm...
 
smigaldi said:
Can't be too clandestine. Secret clearances are handed out with a simple background check.
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Hunh?

Which ones?

Everyone that works for me has a Secret -- and it's more than a "simple" BG check.

One lost his clearance over a college indiscretion he thought no one knew about.
 
dmccormack said:
Hunh?

Which ones?

Everyone that works for me has a Secret -- and it's more than a "simple" BG check.

One lost his clearance over a college indiscretion he thought no one knew about.
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Gee fill out the SF86 and all they do is an FBI back ground check, look at your travel record and if it all looks good you have your secret. I have a TS-SCI with an SBI, that is an intrusive background check that results in people being interviewed.

My guess is the college indiscretion was something he did not disclose. That is what they are looking for, to see how honest you are. They catch you 'forgetting' something, no soup for you.
 
I've had TS-SCI since 1980 .. and had the requisite 10 year BG checks.

Secret clearances are taking 6 months plus the last few years.. It's more than a credit check.
 
dmccormack said:
I've had TS-SCI since 1980 .. and had the requisite 10 year BG checks.

Secret clearances are taking 6 months plus the last few years.. It's more than a credit check.
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You can get an interim secret in a couple of months. TS is taking 18 months or so. TS requires interviews, secret generally doesn't go to that depth, unless something untoward is found. BTW, the single biggest reason for being rejected for a clearance is credit issues.

FWIW, the web site for the address ginl.state.gov is this: Link
 
dmccormack said:
I've had TS-SCI since 1980 .. and had the requisite 10 year BG checks.

Secret clearances are taking 6 months plus the last few years.. It's more than a credit check.
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No one but you Dan called it a credit check. I said a background check. A simple one at that when compared to the SBI. They do not come to your neighborhood like in a SBI nor do they interview you friends. The BI for secret is all down in a clearing house in Virginia by the contractor that has been hired to run these things now. They simply look at what you said and what their files show looking for pattern or discrepancies. The only reason that these are taking 6 months now is that they are being required for things that had not in past years required a BI. In other words, they are getting slammed with lots of BIs these days. Since 9/11 many position now require a BI to be able to obtain information that is not even secret perhaps just FOUO if it has an operational security portion to it.
 
I had to do another SF 86 a couple months ago....because the contractor fat fingered something incorrectly during the swap over and I lost my clearence. Luckly I still had my old 86 in my files and it wasn't that bad. About 5 years ago was interviewed my the FBI for my Army buddie who recieved his Top Secret. By the way the FBI woman was smoking hot.:)
 
smigaldi said:
No one but you Dan called it a credit check. I said a background check. A simple one at that when compared to the SBI. They do not come to your neighborhood like in a SBI nor do they interview you friends. The BI for secret is all down in a clearing house in Virginia by the contractor that has been hired to run these things now. They simply look at what you said and what their files show looking for pattern or discrepancies. The only reason that these are taking 6 months now is that they are being required for things that had not in past years required a BI. In other words, they are getting slammed with lots of BIs these days. Since 9/11 many position now require a BI to be able to obtain information that is not even secret perhaps just FOUO if it has an operational security portion to it.
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True

IMHO it's out of hand -- too many positions require Secret these days.

Though what's classified and what isn't has always been rather silly.

We had a manual in the AF which had ONE sentence (gave a number) that made the entire manual Classified.

So that doc had all the protections, control, expense, etc when we should have simply had a "See reference" in the safe.

Lots of clerks and low-level wrench turners running around with Secret clearance these days.
 
dmccormack said:
True

IMHO it's out of hand -- too many positions require Secret these days.

Though what's classified and what isn't has always been rather silly.

We had a manual in the AF which had ONE sentence (gave a number) that made the entire manual Classified.

So that doc had all the protections, control, expense, etc when we should have simply had a "See reference" in the safe.

Lots of clerks and low-level wrench turners running around with Secret clearance these days.
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Yep it is used to often these days. Agree whole heartedly.

A few years back I also had a 'one number' manual situation. It was an equipment manual that showed a couple of pictures that were confidential and the whole manual had to be specially kept. Very annoying!
 
drizzt76 said:
I had to do another SF 86 a couple months ago....because the contractor fat fingered something incorrectly during the swap over and I lost my clearence. Luckly I still had my old 86 in my files and it wasn't that bad. About 5 years ago was interviewed my the FBI for my Army buddie who recieved his Top Secret. By the way the FBI woman was smoking hot.:)
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My last SF86 the contractor also made a mistake but it did not cost me my clearance. They simply left off a page of info. I got a phone call and had to read them the info from the submitted form. He told me that another contractor types in the info, and then they the contractor he works for does the review.

And for those that may raise suspicions about a phish attempt, before I gave them the information there was contact through a trusted means.
 
Turbine DC-3. NVG time, Secret, and run by State? I put better-than-even money on spraying ops in Columbia/SA.

Cheers,

-Andrew
 
> We had a manual in the AF which had ONE sentence (gave a number)
> that made the entire manual Classified.

It's not that hard to have a classified appendix.
 
I haven't had, or needed, a clearance since 1983. Had TS-SCI when I worked for the Navy in the late 1970s and an EBI working in aerospace. I don't even want to think about the paperwork to get one now. Just compiling a list of all my overseas travel since 1983 is scary enough. :yes:

As to why things get classified, I agree that some of it can be silly. The classification guideline for MX (that's the Peacekeeper missile to you youngsters) suggested that it be done when it would serve as an irritant to the other side. :D
 
Ghery said:
I haven't had, or needed, a clearance since 1983. Had TS-SCI when I worked for the Navy in the late 1970s and an EBI working in aerospace. I don't even want to think about the paperwork to get one now. Just compiling a list of all my overseas travel since 1983 is scary enough. :yes:
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And then having them vet it.....
 
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