Want To Buy Instructional airplane model

n2230b

n2230b

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Hello
Looking for a “ground school” style training airplane with moving control surfaces.
Preferably plastic or metal.
Thanks
 
Howdy,

When I was a kid there seemed to be no limit to tin, plastic and wooden airplane models with moving control surfaces. Essentially toys but with all degrees of quality and fidelity. Over the past 2 weeks I have been to Michaels’s, Target, Walmart, Hobby Lobby, numerous RC specialty shops and pilot supply stores........no airplanes with moving control surfaces. On the web: innumerable pilot supply concerns incl. but not limited to Sporty’s and Aircraft Spruce. On eBay ........couldn’t find squat. Pugs’ is the only reasonably quality option, but to get movable flaps you need at least 5-6 channels and that takes you up to $300.00 or more and it is made out of .........styrofoam. ToysRUS here .......closed.
I will tell you what I DID find: all manner of rockets, spaceships, interstellar craft, star wars knock offs, martian modules, lunar landers, alien battle-stars, etc, etc, etc. All futuristic and really hardly existing, in their infancy, pie in the sky, fake stuff. The fact seems to be that airiplanes don’t seem to be popular at the present time. This is INCREDIBLE!! ........ At a time where all professional aviation observers are projecting a massive shortage of pilots, due to attrition in the current ATP ranks, this lack of foresight is simply **** poor headwork and low information planning.
If you do not get the next generation interested in what is arguably one of the most interesting, dynamic and rewarding professions on earth, you are blind. Kids nowadays are predisposed to extreme facility in the interface operation of automated and sophisticated electronics and computerization. Aviation continues to be one of the watershed creations of humans. Like the wheel and the stirrup, like calculus and antibiotics.....it ain't going away anytime soon.
And yes, I ordered a “Desktop Teaching Control Airplane” from Sky Supply. And it should arrive here tonight. It just doesn't look like an airplane. Its 2 dimensional and has a flat fuselage. What the hell is that? Is that the best teaching tool we can produce? I guess I am asking too much.
I am trying to interest my 13 year old son in Aviation as a career. My grandfather owned a flying school, my father was a gold seal instructor and a 1011 EAL CAPT. my brother is a 747 CAPT, (Northwest/Delta), Ret. And Im a USN Flt. Surgeon, Ret.-com, instr,M/E. By the grace of God, I own an paid for 1977 Rockwell Commander TCA, available to me 24/7. I plan to get my CFI soon........

................................I want a really good, old time, simple teaching model airplane with movable control surfaces To teach my son!!!!!!

,,,,,,,,,,,............................I am asking too much????????
 
n2230b said:
Howdy,

When I was a kid there seemed to be no limit to tin, plastic and wooden airplane models with moving control surfaces. Essentially toys but with all degrees of quality and fidelity. Over the past 2 weeks I have been to Michaels’s, Target, Walmart, Hobby Lobby, numerous RC specialty shops and pilot supply stores........no airplanes with moving control surfaces. On the web: innumerable pilot supply concerns incl. but not limited to Sporty’s and Aircraft Spruce. On eBay ........couldn’t find squat. Pugs’ is the only reasonably quality option, but to get movable flaps you need at least 5-6 channels and that takes you up to $300.00 or more and it is made out of .........styrofoam. ToysRUS here .......closed.
I will tell you what I DID find: all manner of rockets, spaceships, interstellar craft, star wars knock offs, martian modules, lunar landers, alien battle-stars, etc, etc, etc. All futuristic and really hardly existing, in their infancy, pie in the sky, fake stuff. The fact seems to be that airiplanes don’t seem to be popular at the present time. This is INCREDIBLE!! ........ At a time where all professional aviation observers are projecting a massive shortage of pilots, due to attrition in the current ATP ranks, this lack of foresight is simply **** poor headwork and low information planning.
If you do not get the next generation interested in what is arguably one of the most interesting, dynamic and rewarding professions on earth, you are blind. Kids nowadays are predisposed to extreme facility in the interface operation of automated and sophisticated electronics and computerization. Aviation continues to be one of the watershed creations of humans. Like the wheel and the stirrup, like calculus and antibiotics.....it ain't going away anytime soon.
And yes, I ordered a “Desktop Teaching Control Airplane” from Sky Supply. And it should arrive here tonight. It just doesn't look like an airplane. Its 2 dimensional and has a flat fuselage. What the hell is that? Is that the best teaching tool we can produce? I guess I am asking too much.
I am trying to interest my 13 year old son in Aviation as a career. My grandfather owned a flying school, my father was a gold seal instructor and a 1011 EAL CAPT. my brother is a 747 CAPT, (Northwest/Delta), Ret. And Im a USN Flt. Surgeon, Ret.-com, instr,M/E. By the grace of God, I own an paid for 1977 Rockwell Commander TCA, available to me 24/7. I plan to get my CFI soon........

................................I want a really good, old time, simple teaching model airplane with movable control surfaces To teach my son!!!!!!

,,,,,,,,,,,............................I am asking too much????????
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I hear Vans has kits you can use to build "model" airplanes.....
 
n2230b said:
When I was a kid there seemed to be no limit to tin, plastic and wooden airplane models with moving control surfaces. Essentially toys but with all degrees of quality and fidelity
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And all painted with the finest quality lead paint. :D I know of what you speak. I recall well the dive bomber and such. For that matter the Monogram 1/48 models with moving control surfaces too.

Lots of option still if you want to build. Simple to cut the control surfaces and make them free and frankly, don't even cover it since learning something about bulkheads and stringers and spars is worth something to people that didn't grow up like us.

https://www.megahobby.com/products/...ubber-powered-aircraft-30-wingspan-dumas.html

By the way, my Grandfather was EAL too. Martin 404's to A300's - from 52-82. In the middle was Convair 440's, DC-4, DC-7, Connies, Electras ,DC-8 and 27,000 hours in 727s.
 
SoCal RV Flyer said:
I like the concept, but $30? More like 30 cents' worth of foam with some printing on it.
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Yes, I bought one of these and agree. Some foam that you can get at hobby store cut the right way will do this. The “hinges” for the control surfaces are the thick aluminum foil strips with adhesive on one side.
 
I kind of like the idea of a cheap RC plane, but there is just something about the electric foamies that irks me. I would definitely get something that includes a propeller regardless, so you can also demonstrate P factor.

A lot of times hobby shops will have completed RC planes hanging from the ceiling for sale. You might be able to score one for a reasonable price. I'd rather spend $100 on a halfway decent balsa stringer and covering build than $30 for three pieces of foam with printing on it.
 
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