Incredible model Saturn V rocket launched

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Whoa...now that's pretty neat. I only got up to J motors and one K. I hope all goes well for him, but those massive projects don't have a terribly good track record. Personally I'd go for a super high altitude launch with $13000 of propellant instead of lofting a giant scale Saturn V. Too bad he isn't building a true multi stage Saturn. That would be truly spectacular.
 
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That's amazing! I hope his flight goes great!


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Wow - some of you guys are cool! I never got beyond D, I think the largest I built had three. Like every other rocket I ever made, I flew it until it was destroyed. That particular rocket, though, didn't even survive its maiden voyage.
 
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I think that thing qualifies as a rocket, not just a "model" rocket. Its about the size of a Vietnam era SAM. Hope he tells the FAA about it. I would not want to see that coming up at me and have to use my threat avoidance measures. :D
 
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Like every other rocket I ever made, I flew it until it was destroyed. That particular rocket, though, didn't even survive its maiden voyage.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

After losing a few to parachute drift, I built a couple of small Estes rockets that used streamers for recovery - much, much better for recovery. Had one that made over 80 flights, used C engines, I think it was called a Sprint(?)

Had one from the other brand (Centauri?) that used a D-engine. Engine burned through the side just as it cleared the little launcher thing, pretty exciting failure, crazy horizontal gyrations, lots of ducking and running among our little mission control crew!


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LOL Ron this is why I knida lost interest in High Power Rocketry...too many Yahoos like the x-wing dude. He freely admits that this thing is gonna fail prior to the launch...WTF

When people screw with 1600 pounds of thrust is it too much to expect that the vehicle will hold together?
 
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:rofl::rofl::rofl:

After losing a few to parachute drift, I built a couple of small Estes rockets that used streamers for recovery - much, much better for recovery. Had one that made over 80 flights, used C engines, I think it was called a Sprint(?)

Had one from the other brand (Centauri?) that used a D-engine. Engine burned through the side just as it cleared the little launcher thing, pretty exciting failure, crazy horizontal gyrations, lots of ducking and running among our little mission control crew!


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I can't even remember how many my buddy and I shot where we just watched them float away. Or find the only tree within a mile. I did like the streamers, they helped a lot.

Our big one launched OK, but never separated to release the chutes. We didn't even get a chance to paint it. It just nosed over, and came down, making that whistling noise you hear in movie sound effects. We thought that was really cool, then we noticed it was going ballistic towards the car. Wasn't anything we could do but watch. It landed behind a berm. No noises, we just noticed that the whistle stopped. We peeked around the berm, expecting to see a hole in the car, but it had missed by about 10 feet. Our 5 foot tall rocket was accordioned down to about 6 inches.
 
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No worries, I can rig that at no extra expense.
That pretty much describes how many of my model airplanes met their end.

Actually, that just happened with the platic models. The flying models managed to end their careers much differently - there was one that got attacked by my cat. I guess he thought it was a bird, he stalked it until it landed, then tore into it.
 
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There are going to try to lauch this Saturday about 50 miles from me. I think I may go over to watch.
 
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There's a group of us headed over Saturday from Annapolis to watch this guy make a crater. I'm just trying to figure out how far away we need to be for the tail gating party. If it's supposed to go vertically for a mile, what happens if it decides to, uh, not go vertically? We'll be there with coolers, sunscreen, beach chairs, and the video cameras rolling. If it does anything, I'll post the video by Sunday.

I'm still wondering if Homeland Security knows about this thing? It's only a few miles outside the SFRA around DC where it's being launched. If it explodes on the launch pad, somebody should send the video to the North Koreans too...
 
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There's a group of us headed over Saturday from Annapolis to watch this guy make a crater. I'm just trying to figure out how far away we need to be for the tail gating party. If it's supposed to go vertically for a mile, what happens if it decides to, uh, not go vertically? We'll be there with coolers, sunscreen, beach chairs, and the video cameras rolling. If it does anything, I'll post the video by Sunday.

I'm still wondering if Homeland Security knows about this thing? It's only a few miles outside the SFRA around DC where it's being launched. If it explodes on the launch pad, somebody should send the video to the North Koreans too...

Check the NOTAMS. The big stuff needs a wavier which should trigger a NOTAM.
 
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There's a group of us headed over Saturday from Annapolis to watch this guy make a crater. I'm just trying to figure out how far away we need to be for the tail gating party. If it's supposed to go vertically for a mile, what happens if it decides to, uh, not go vertically? We'll be there with coolers, sunscreen, beach chairs, and the video cameras rolling. If it does anything, I'll post the video by Sunday.

I'm still wondering if Homeland Security knows about this thing? It's only a few miles outside the SFRA around DC where it's being launched. If it explodes on the launch pad, somebody should send the video to the North Koreans too...

Grab a beer and be right next to the launch pad, wear safety glasses... I love when things blow up big time, it's soooo cool. Dodging errant rockets is half the fun of model rocketry. I used to launch A motor Estes rockets out of the hoodscoop of my Camaro at people in White Castles parking lot from across the intersection.:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: I was the only kid in school with an active "Rockets" button on his dash....
 
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Check the NOTAMS. The big stuff needs a wavier which should trigger a NOTAM.

Needs one and gets one are two different things. We're pilots and know about FARs and waivers but if I'm an amateur rocket builder I'm guessing the only way I'd know about such things would be if I went to the model rocket club of america or some such for some insurance for the launch and they required the waivers. Which brings up another point again that I'm sure Ron will know the answer to - what if he fires it off without a waiver or notice? He holds no certificate the FAA can take action against. What bad things can happen to him (other than getting blown to smithereens)?
 
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I used to launch A motor Estes rockets out of the hoodscoop of my Camaro at people in White Castles parking lot from across the intersection.:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: I was the only kid in school with an active "Rockets" button on his dash....

Ahhhh, brings back memories of our annual bottle rocket fight. A buddy of mine still sports the scar, 35 years later, on his adam's apple where I caught him with a rocket from about 60' away. Those were the days...
 
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Needs one and gets one are two different things. We're pilots and know about FARs and waivers but if I'm an amateur rocket builder I'm guessing the only way I'd know about such things would be if I went to the model rocket club of america or some such for some insurance for the launch and they required the waivers. Which brings up another point again that I'm sure Ron will know the answer to - what if he fires it off without a waiver or notice? He holds no certificate the FAA can take action against. What bad things can happen to him (other than getting blown to smithereens)?

The kid who buys an Estes kit at walmart is going to be clueless. But, for the most part, if one is involved in rockets this size, there is a good chance that they have talked to one or two other high power rocket enthusiasts, and/or belong to one of the orginizations (Either the NAR or Tripoli) and/or have read a magazine or two. So they likely have some idea what is involved from the legal perspective. The discussions of FAR's (and BATF) regulations come up as often in rocket related forums as they do here.

Of course, there is always the yahoo who says eff-it, or does something stupid. But that happens in airplanes too.
 
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After losing a few to parachute drift, I built a couple of small Estes rockets that used streamers for recovery - much, much better for recovery.
Trapper John

You need to take pictures so you know where it's been.

One of mine (Juno-1):


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Nice Pictures Cap'n Thorpe!
 
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Needs one and gets one are two different things. We're pilots and know about FARs and waivers but if I'm an amateur rocket builder I'm guessing the only way I'd know about such things would be if I went to the model rocket club of america or some such for some insurance for the launch and they required the waivers. Which brings up another point again that I'm sure Ron will know the answer to - what if he fires it off without a waiver or notice? He holds no certificate the FAA can take action against. What bad things can happen to him (other than getting blown to smithereens)?

I don't know about the consequences, and my info may be a little dated (havent launched anything big in 5+ years), but here are the basics of high Power Rocketry.

Currently any motor containing more than 62.5g of propellant is regulated by our friends at the BATFE. In order to store/use anything larger than that you will need a LEUP (Low Explosives User Permit). There were some "exemptions" about buying and flying the motor on the same day, but that loophole may have been closed n the mean time.

In ogder to fly anything at an organized launch put on by the two rocketry organizations (NAR, Tripoli), you need to be certified through these organizations. there are 3 levels. Level 1 is good for H-I motors Level 2 is good for J-L motors, and Level 3 is for anything M and above. Basically these Certs require you to launch one rocket in each class, and recover it intact. For Level 3 there is also some more scrutiny during the construction (you need to prove you used safe and acceptable building methods). Once you achieve certification you are good to fly just about anything you want.

A lot of this stuff is in NFPA 1127

Once at the organized launch there is supposed to be a Range Safety Officer who is supposed to ensure that people are flying safely, which includes inspections of all missiles to be launched. If you can't convince the RSO it's safe to fly you won't. Also most rocket flyers think they have exclusive use of the airspace, but the truth is that the NOTAM is only advisory. The Rocket flyer is responsible for seperation, and see and avoid still applies.

For more info go here...

http://www.nar.org/
http://www.tripoli.org/
 
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That's great! How did you set that up?


Trapper John

There was a 35mm auto wind camera in the body and a mirror sticking out the side so it looked down the body of the rocket. A 555 timer circuit triggered the camera after launch.

A lot of time (and a couple smashed cameras) when into not many pictures... But, Hey! It's a hobby.
 
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Also most rocket flyers think they have exclusive use of the airspace, but the truth is that the NOTAM is only advisory. The Rocket flyer is responsible for seperation, and see and avoid still applies.
Anyone else see a potential problem when the person responsible for separation thinks they have exclusive use of the airspace?
 
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Anyone else see a potential problem when the person responsible for separation thinks they have exclusive use of the airspace?
Not really. I too have participated in these rocket launches and the people that run them are very safe. They do employ spotters to watch for aircraft and when one looks close they stop the proceedings.

BTW a couple of the rockets I have launched. All of these are over 1lb in weight. That short red one weighed in at 3 lbs with over 1lb of clay stuffed in the nose to make it aerodynamically stable. The large purple one with the paw prints flew to over 6000ft on a regular basis.
 

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Another one: (Warning: Those who can't handle an F or S bomb or two should turn their volume down for this one.)


The first stage actually landed upright!
 
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Cool, my rockets were never that big.
 
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man thats cool
 
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Man that is seriously cool!
 
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duuuude!

That first still photo is the best - it really shows the scale. I haven't checked out the videos yet. I'll get a chance later today.

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Got to see the vids - pretty cool. Even with what looks like a fouled chute, it looks like the thing came back in reasonably good shape.

That thing really moved! I remember watching the original Saturn V launches, it really seemed to climb off the pad slowly.
 
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