Impending, possible meat shortages

GaryM said:
While true, I just can't get past the fact that it tastes like, well, quinoa. I have a similar problem with kale.
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This may be obvious, so excuse me if it is, but are you washing it very thoroughly before cooking? Quinoa has an outer coating that can be very bitter if not washed off properly before cooking.

I also find it is quite good if you mix it in with other things with strong flavors. For example, I make a quinoa chili which is quite good. I've also used it to as a substitute pie crust for savory pies like quiche (not because pie crust isn't vegetarian, but because it's a lot more butter than I should be eating...). Mixing cooked quinoa with some egg and flour, pressing it into the pan and blind baking to set it has worked very well for me. Just a few suggestions! But of course if you don't like it you don't like it.
 
GaryM said:
While true, I just can't get past the fact that it tastes like, well, quinoa. I have a similar problem with kale.
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I love kale; when it is smothered in olive oil, parmessan cheese, garlic and sunflower seeds and topped with a spicy mayo.
 
JOhnH said:
I love kale; when it is smothered in olive oil, parmessan cheese, garlic and sunflower seeds and topped with a spicy mayo.
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When I was on a liveaboard sailing trip last year, they made kale chips (toasted in the oven with olive oil). I thought I would hate it, because kale, but it was good.
 
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As for trying to convince those opposing the existence of a potential meat shortage, the old age applies: you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. There is an abundance of people who still reject facts, no matter how much you provide them. C'est la vie.

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Pending meat shortage, sounds like a self fulfilling prophecy, same as toilet paper. Run out and buy more meat than you can possibly use people, screw your neighbors before they can screw you.
 
PaulS said:
Pending meat shortage, sounds like a self fulfilling prophecy, same as toilet paper. Run out and buy more meat than you can possibly use people, screw your neighbors before they can screw you.
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I have a cow-orker, single mom with two kids, who went out and bought TWO chest style deep freezers and proceeded to fill each with meat. SMH...
 
My question on the shortage is it geared toward processed meats and convenience foods? Or is it more toward the raw variety that requires someone to know how to prep and cook?
 
Bell206 said:
My question on the shortage is it geared toward processed meats and convenience foods? Or is it more toward the raw variety that requires someone to know how to prep and cook?
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Probably depends on the average age of residents in the community. One of my nieces, who's attending Vassar on scholarship when not locked down, didn't know how to scramble an egg until my mother taught her a few months ago. Seriously.

Rich
 
RJM62 said:
Seriously.
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I've got a couple "older" family members where if it doesn't come out the freezer or have a microwave handy, they're screwed. If I had to guess, I think the frozen food section and mcNuggets will be on the short side way before the raw meat counter will be bare. But then again we always have the neighbor's lap dogs.....:eek:
 
PaulS said:
Pending meat shortage, sounds like a self fulfilling prophecy, same as toilet paper. Run out and buy more meat than you can possibly use people, screw your neighbors before they can screw you.
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I'm actually a little torn on that. I can easily fill up my freezer with meat from Sam's Club right now. I'm wondering if it might actually be supportive of their suppliers to do so. Demand from restaurants has bottomed out, so they have plenty of meat. Is it hoarding if the intent is altruistic?

I've also been thinking about going to Sam's Club with the trailer and filling it to capacity with non-perishables for the food bank, but the per-item limits might make that impossible (as well as defeating the purpose behind the limits). Even if I can get around the limits with a letter from the food bank, is it right to hoard on behalf of others?

It's kind of a peculiar dilemma. Maybe I should just send money.

Rich
 
RJM62 said:
It's kind of a peculiar dilemma. Maybe I should just send money.
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That might be the most effective. I am guessing local foodbanks (if they are of a sufficient scale) can work with local suppliers to coordinate both what the foodbank needs and what the supplier can provide while still maintaining stock for the needs of the rest of the community. If you go with a trailer to load up for the foodbank you are just making guesses at both of those things. While altruistic and a very good thing to do, it may not be the most efficient use of the money you are willing to donate to the cause.
 
Are they still making "The impossible burger"? They should have the same distancing issues regardless of processing material. Although, they may still have their fast food clients keeping the demand up.
 
RJM62 said:
I'm actually a little torn on that. I can easily fill up my freezer with meat from Sam's Club right now. I'm wondering if it might actually be supportive of their suppliers to do so. Demand from restaurants has bottomed out, so they have plenty of meat. Is it hoarding if the intent is altruistic?

I've also been thinking about going to Sam's Club with the trailer and filling it to capacity with non-perishables for the food bank, but the per-item limits might make that impossible (as well as defeating the purpose behind the limits). Even if I can get around the limits with a letter from the food bank, is it right to hoard on behalf of others?

It's kind of a peculiar dilemma. Maybe I should just send money.

Rich
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I think, like egg man said in an earlier post, some of the supply chain issues are packaging. I think buying large from restaurant supply places and repackaging at home reduces demand in the retail channel but helps use some of the stuff sitting around designed for institutional use


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AKiss20 said:
That might be the most effective. I am guessing local foodbanks (if they are of a sufficient scale) can work with local suppliers to coordinate both what the foodbank needs and what the supplier can provide while still maintaining stock for the needs of the rest of the community. If you go with a trailer to load up for the foodbank you are just making guesses at both of those things. While altruistic and a very good thing to do, it may not be the most efficient use of the money you are willing to donate to the cause.
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You're probably right. Writing a check is less gratifying than a hundred-mile round trip playing Santa Claus, but it's probably more practical.

Rich
 
Ravioli said:
Are they still making "The impossible burger"? They should have the same distancing issues regardless of processing material. Although, they may still have their fast food clients keeping the demand up.
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I have no idea what an "impossible burger" is.

Rich
 
RJM62 said:
You're probably right. Writing a check is less gratifying than a hundred-mile round trip playing Santa Claus, but it's probably more practical.

Rich
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Maybe you could send money AND volunteer to use your trailer to transport food that they have made arrangements for, if you are so inclined.
 
denverpilot said:
I’m eating a steak reading this thread. Don’t hate. :)
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Yes it’s overdone. Wifey likes it more done than me.
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Am I the weird one for actually liking my steak mostly well done? A little pink is fine, but I prefer it cooked through.
 
Ryanb said:
Am I the weird one for actually liking my steak mostly well done? A little pink is fine, but I prefer it cooked through.
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Apparently President Trump also likes his steak well done.
And with ketchup.
 
flhrci said:
So hold the kale then?
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I’ve found the best way to consume kale is by juicing it - seriously. Juice it along with carrots, apples or whatever and you hardly taste it.
 
James_Dean said:
Yes it is. My company alone has culled 5,000,000 egg laying hens.
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And lots of places saying there are not enough eggs at the grocery store. I'm confused. Is supply chain? In that some of your customers are restaurants and they aren't selling as much and the grocery stores are not your customers? Switching supply chains can be a bit more work than driving to a different local store to buy things.

That list closed plants was informative.
 
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Palmpilot said:
Maybe you could send money AND volunteer to use your trailer to transport food that they have made arrangements for, if you are so inclined.
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I was thinking the same thing on the way back from the post office. Have trailer, will schlep. It would break up the boredom and do some good.

I'd been doing small local deliveries to people in quarantine until a week or so ago, but most of the folks in quarantine now planned for it and brought everything they need with them. I need a new reason to be out and about.

Rich
 
wayne said:
And lots of places saying there are not enough eggs at the grocery store. I'm confused. Is supply chain? In that some of your customers are restaurants and they aren't selling as much and the grocery stores are not your customers? Switching supply chains can be a bit more work than driving to a different local store to buy things.

That list closed plants was informative.
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It's a packaging and supply chain issue. As @James_Dean has said elsewhere, he's got at least one farm that is only set up to process and package liquid eggs in institutional size packages. 200K plus a day if my memory serves (which it may not). They couldn't get those eggs to a store in any useful form without major rework.
 
RJM62 said:
I'm actually a little torn on that. I can easily fill up my freezer with meat from Sam's Club right now. I'm wondering if it might actually be supportive of their suppliers to do so. Demand from restaurants has bottomed out, so they have plenty of meat. Is it hoarding if the intent is altruistic?

I've also been thinking about going to Sam's Club with the trailer and filling it to capacity with non-perishables for the food bank, but the per-item limits might make that impossible (as well as defeating the purpose behind the limits). Even if I can get around the limits with a letter from the food bank, is it right to hoard on behalf of others?

It's kind of a peculiar dilemma. Maybe I should just send money.

Rich
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They always prefer money, but I'm sure a talk with a manager would take care of the limits for the most part. I usually keep enough meat for a week, I'll probably stick with that, maybe buy some shotgun shells, there are always 10 or 20 deer nearby, although I've never hunted before, seem like it would be easy when they are always walking right by.
 
Ryanb said:
Am I the weird one for actually liking my steak mostly well done? A little pink is fine, but I prefer it cooked through.
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Yes. You are weird for over cooking your food.

Ever see a Lion cook it's food?
 
RJM62 said:
Wow. People must actually eat that stuff.

Rich
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Don't knock it if you haven't tried it. I quite like them. They are about the same nutritional level as normal burgers in terms of fats and proteins, but obviously being primarily plant based come at a much lower environmental impact [1] and isn't animal based if one is an ethical vegetarian or vegan (which I personally am not). If I had to compare it to actual ground beef, I would say taste wise they are maybe 85%-90% of the way there and texturally about 75%. I have a friend who is by any definition a meat lover (eats meat with nearly every single meal) and he likes them as well and even orders them in lieu of beef when we go to a specific restaurant that does them particularly well!

Given they have the same fat content as a burger, they are an occasional treat for me, not an everyday item. They are also still quite expensive (although hopefully price will go down as the technology improves). They sell the raw product in certain grocery stores so I keep meaning to experiment with it for things like ragu or "meatloaf".

[1] https://www.fastcompany.com/9032257...lant-based-impossible-burger-compares-to-beef
 
AKiss20 said:
Don't knock it if you haven't tried it. I quite like them. They are about the same nutritional level as normal burgers in terms of fats and proteins, but obviously being primarily plant based come at a much lower environmental impact [1] and isn't animal based if one is an ethical vegetarian or vegan (which I personally am not). If I had to compare it to actual ground beef, I would say taste wise they are maybe 85%-90% of the way there and texturally about 75%. I have a friend who is by any definition a meat lover (eats meat with nearly every single meal) and he likes them as well and even orders them in lieu of beef when we go to a specific restaurant that does them particularly well!

Given they have the same fat content as a burger, they are an occasional treat for me, not an everyday item. They are also still quite expensive (although hopefully price will go down as the technology improves). They sell the raw product in certain grocery stores so I keep meaning to experiment with it for things like ragu or "meatloaf".

[1] https://www.fastcompany.com/9032257...lant-based-impossible-burger-compares-to-beef
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Yeah, but...

https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-01...may-forever-change-how-you-think-about-plants

Rich :rolleyes:
 
Ravioli said:
They should have the same distancing issues regardless of processing material
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Doesn't that depend on how mechanized the processing is? I am guessing it is a lot easier to process soy, wheat, and pea protein with machines than to break down a cow or pig. That being said, I claim ignorance to the details of either meat processing or impossible meat processing.
 
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