I'm I crazy for wanting a Cessna 140A?

txflyer said:
What is a 180h.p. conversion 170 going for nowadays?
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They start around low 40's and run as high as the upper 60's

I just had a customer sell a good flying 170-B for 25k ugly as road kill, but it flew great.
 
Tom-D said:
What happened to all the sense the 170 made ?

:confused:
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1200nm miles away, the engine was suspect after talking to the a&p that was maintaining the plane (low compressions and high oil consumption), and the wife did not like the way it looked!
 
Logical list, but questionable order of importance re decision.:p

N2124v said:
1200nm miles away, the engine was suspect after talking to the a&p that was maintaining the plane (low compressions and high oil consumption), and the wife did not like the way it looked!
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wabower said:
Logical list, but questionable order of importance re decision.:p
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The wife gave her blessing on this one early on. I just feel better because I have flown it, looked at the logs, crawled all over it, and been able to talk to the owner face to face without buying a plane ticket.
 
Closer is definitely better, and what you thought you wanted anyway. Hope it works out.

N2124v said:
The wife gave her blessing on this one early on. I just feel better because I have flown it, looked at the logs, crawled all over it, and been able to talk to the owner face to face without buying a plane ticket.
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Logical list, but questionable order of importance re decision.:p
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Yeah, but when the boss speaks, people listen :).
 
wabower said:
Closer is definitely better, and what you thought you wanted anyway. Hope it works out.
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Well crap, it's looking like the search will continue. I think we are just to far apart.
 
Normally figure it won't take more than two years to find the right deal.
N2124v said:
Well crap, it's looking like the search will continue. I think we are just to far apart.
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N2124v said:
Well crap, it's looking like the search will continue. I think we are just to far apart.
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Very few 65-70 year old aircraft are perfect, the few that are, aren't cheap.

Pay me now, pay me later.
 
Remember the symptoms of the typical tire kicker, there is always a reason not to buy.
 
Nor are we likely to run out of old airplanes to look at during our lifetime. Keep looking until you find a deal you like.

Tom-D said:
Very few 65-70 year old aircraft are perfect, the few that are, aren't cheap.

Pay me now, pay me later.
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High-ball asking prices are even worse. Sellers who say "I know what these are worth" should immediately be discarded from the pool.

Tom-D said:
Remember the symptoms of the typical tire kicker, there is always a reason not to buy.
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Tom-D said:
What he said. :thumbsup:
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Yep, there are more out there. This one was great on the engine and panel, just the exterior was in rough shape with a colorful damage history. The deals not dead, just don't have a warm, fuzzy feeling now. I will give the guy credit, his logs seem to be complete back to 1946. I'm gong to sleep on it and spend some energy on my real job tomorrow and see where I stand.
 
N2124v said:
Yep, there are more out there. This one was great on the engine and panel, just the exterior was in rough shape with a colorful damage history. The deals not dead, just don't have a warm, fuzzy feeling now. I will give the guy credit, his logs seem to be complete back to 1946. I'm gong to sleep on it and spend some energy on my real job tomorrow and see where I stand.
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I have a guy in the hangar across from me that is thinking about unloading his 120, it is sweet, he is due for annual, and has asked me to do it.

All I know at this time is what he says, it is dark maroon and polished, with a 85 in it. it flys often, and runs sweet.
 
Tom-D said:
I have a guy in the hangar across from me that is thinking about unloading his 120, it is sweet, he is due for annual, and has asked me to do it.

All I know at this time is what he says, it is dark maroon and polished, with a 85 in it. it flys often, and runs sweet.
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That could be interesting. Let me know what transpires.
 
wabower said:
I'd be surprised if you find one you want in that range, but not saying it won't happen.
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I'll go more for the right plane, but would be comfortable with a mid-time engine, decent paint/interior, 5k+/- tt aircraft in this range. I'm not looking for a show plane or a total fix it up project. Just something fly able that has the "cute" factor. Wife wants cute.
 
It's truly a buyer's market. Hang tough -- you'll find one in that price range.
 
If your budget is for a 140 strictly, that's cool, but I would break my neck to save and build or buy one of these if I could.

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This is the future of GA. Not Clyde Cessna's design. It has worked stellar for decades, but it's time to move on.... this is 2013 for pete's sake. :dunno:

When you look at the kit builds in relation to the certified OEM new planes, the gap is stunning. And it's getting wider. Experimental class is giving pilot's and the general public the planes they want with the features they are asking for. Cessna, Piper, and the other big manufactures are constantly behind the curve by the very nature of their decades old design.
 
The buyers market is only relevant for certain planes, mostly run-of-the-mill models. Many other models are stable to improving. I'd guess that nicely-preserved 140's are in the latter group.

Jay Honeck said:
It's truly a buyer's market. Hang tough -- you'll find one in that price range.
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N2124v said:
Any gotchas? I'm going to join the Cessna 120/140 association.
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This makes you about as crazy as the rest of us owners....... Good Choice. I am going to bet you are surprised when you find you spend more time in the 140 than the Cirrus.:)

when I had the Cherokee 140 (not as much fun as your 140) I flew it more than I did the Comanche. I only flew the Comanche when I was going places or needed the useful load.
 
NineThreeKilo said:
Well, a xpdr is something I would want, if you're thrifty and search for a nice used mode C and a good guy to install it, not a big deal, but a few bucks you're going need to take off the plane. Also no xpdr, no flight following / radar services btw

The missing old logs, not a issue IMO

The over haul in the 60s!
I'd consider it timed out, how many hours has it had put on it recently?? If it doesn't fly much (or at all) that would be a issue for me.

All that being said I'd "off the cuff" good pre-buy, say $15k ish.
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I agree across the board with 93K
 
Where? where? Where?

txflyer said:
What is a 180h.p. conversion 170 going for nowadays?

I know where there's a sweet one that will be going on the block pretty soon I'm betting. Right now, it's roosting in a dark hangar, waiting on an old pilot with a busted medical, and no light at the end of that tunnel.
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That seems to be the amount of time it takes the average buyer to recognize a good deal so that he moves quickly to lock it up when it comes up. and to find a seller who has lost all hope of getting what he put into it and thinks its worth.

wabower said:
Normally figure it won't take more than two years to find the right deal.
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txflyer said:
If your budget is for a 140 strictly, that's cool, but I would break my neck to save and build or buy one of these if I could.

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This is the future of GA. Not Clyde Cessna's design. It has worked stellar for decades, but it's time to move on.... this is 2013 for pete's sake. :dunno:

When you look at the kit builds in relation to the certified OEM new planes, the gap is stunning. And it's getting wider. Experimental class is giving pilot's and the general public the planes they want with the features they are asking for. Cessna, Piper, and the other big manufactures are constantly behind the curve by the very nature of their decades old design.
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Ok, what is this?
 
N2124v said:
Holy crap! That is a cool plane! How much are kidneys going for these days?
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I forgot how much the kit is, it's on the site.

It is not one of the cheaper kits, but look what you get. Basically, a 150m.p.h. 172 on it's tail with less expensive modern avionics.

I think their aerobatic....? I did not check that.. Before I plop down $30K on a 140, I would look hard at these. The Chinese company that recently bought Glasair says it is going to certify the Sportsman.

Let's think about that for a second. If you build one yourself say now, then if the aircraft is certified, and put into production, what would that do to the value of your experimental? Make it go up? Go down? You can bet the certified version will cost a lot more. :confused:
 
weilke said:
53k + engine + instruments and a year of your life.

179 for the whole thing with builder assist.
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Right on. And you get a brand new airplane. With the latest tech. Fast and STOL.

A fellow could take a partner on it. Or partner with a builder. You be the funds, he be the hands.... that sort of thing. Or vice-versa. If you can build one, but don't have the scratch, maybe seek out a person with the $ who wants one, and start dealing for a piece of it. :goofy:


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The problem with building is how much time it takes.
 
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