Idiot killed by jet blast at St Maartin

weilke said:
Stupid examples. If you pour a pitcher of city water, you have an expectation of receiving a safe product. If you stand behind a jet engine despite a sign telling you not to, you expect to tumble down the beach into the ocean.
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Not if you're standing behind a fence, wearing a bathing suit, and you're drunk. Who's stoopid now? :D There are plenty of privately owned single residence wells that need to be treated in order to be potable; dirty water isn't just for you flatland city slickers any more! Stupid, isn't it? Let nature walk its course.
 
If making a runway's end accessible, so that customers of a bar can experience jet blast at close range, is truly such a great public service, then why do airports in the US and Europe not also provide this service?

It is obviously because it is reckless to open that beach.
 
NoHeat said:
If making a runway's end accessible, so that customers of a bar can experience jet blast at close range, is truly such a great public service, then why do airports in the US and Europe not also provide this service?

It is obviously because it is reckless to open that beach.
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Because of tort law.
Considering the length of the runway and land requirements and available land, it is just the cost of doing business.

Tim

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NoHeat said:
If making a runway's end accessible, so that customers of a bar can experience jet blast at close range, is truly such a great public service
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Wait? What?

No one has made that argument. There are some here who think it's pretty cool and are glad it happened. But no one is arguing that airports should be designed this was as a public service. You are arguing against a straw man.
 
mtuomi said:
Nonsense. I've been on that fence maybe 50 times. You can stay upright without holding on, it just is easier because of the sand etc blowing to hold on to something (for example, the fence). I bet she did what some idiots do and that is, panic, then let go and start running towards the beach. Easy to get blown over that way. If you just stay put, you'll be fine.
747 actually is pretty mild because the engines is so far out, the Ameristar 727 is the most fun. Or a 757.
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Lol!!! You're one of the peeps that do this??
 
Just so folks know, the jet blast by the same airplane can vary from takeoff to takeoff.
Now I don't pretend to know the 747 parameters, but...
For example, the Airbus *normally* departs using a flex power setting, which basically means minimum to depart and clear obstacles.
On some departures we use full takeoff power, which is much more thrust. We also can use, if needed, a "bump", which adds even more thrust at takeoff.

Point being- Just because you think you know the thrust of an Airbus on takeoff, the next one could be 25% more.
 
Kritchlow said:
Just so folks know, the jet blast by the same airplane can vary from takeoff to takeoff.
Now I don't pretend to know the 747 parameters, but...
For example, the Airbus *normally* departs using a flex power setting, which basically means minimum to depart and clear obstacles.
On some departures we use full takeoff power, which is much more thrust. We also can use, if needed, a "bump", which adds even more thrust at takeoff.

Point being- Just because you think you know the thrust of an Airbus on takeoff, the next one could be 25% more.
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You've probably been to SXM right? Do you guys require full thrust for takeoff on that runway?
 
azure said:
Toi la je t'aime? What the hell is that doing on a danger sign ?! (Or I am I missing something idiomatic? Is it just a heads up, as in "you there I mean you!" It literally means, "you there I like (or love) you!")

Regardless, very sad occurrence. They really do need to redesign that perimeter... maybe put up a solid wall there. Even for people farther outside the danger zone on the beach, it can't be a very pleasant experience. :(
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I take it to be referring to those who are saying goodbye to someone on the airplane. As in seeing them off, but then getting blasted down the beach. I could be wrong though, that's the hard part about undestanding another language. The translation is the easy part unless you are fully immersed in the culture.
 
Cooter said:
I take it to be referring to those who are saying goodbye to someone on the airplane. As in seeing them off, but then getting blasted down the beach. I could be wrong though, that's the hard part about undestanding another language. The translation is the easy part unless you are fully immersed in the culture.
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Yep, I had the same thought and posted it in response to Rushie. And yes, not being a native speaker, it's hard to know what is meant idiomatically. 12 years of classroom French in K-12 doesn't really cut it. One of these days I will spend some time in Montreal or Quebec and brush up, maybe learn the language better - though it's not EXACTLY the same language I learned, very much a regional dialect. I really should do that as it's not far at all, closer than Boston in fact (Montreal, anyway).
 
jordane93 said:
You've probably been to SXM right? Do you guys require full thrust for takeoff on that runway?
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Yes, I've been there numerous times but only in the corporate world.
I've never been there in the Bus.
 
azure said:
Yep, I had the same thought and posted it in response to Rushie. And yes, not being a native speaker, it's hard to know what is meant idiomatically. 12 years of classroom French in K-12 doesn't really cut it. One of these days I will spend some time in Montreal or Quebec and brush up, maybe learn the language better - though it's not EXACTLY the same language I learned, very much a regional dialect. I really should do that as it's not far at all, closer than Boston in fact (Montreal, anyway).
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Agree. Four years in high school myself and a lot of "franglais" practice with my sister and friends in college, which is nothing like being immersed in the actual culture. Literally word for word "you there" is the best translation but "Hey you!" is probably a closer actual meaning approximation. If that is true, the context seems less like waving good-bye to someone on the plane and more like addressing the airplane itself, and/or the blast. Now that I know people are deliberately running to be in the blast, it makes more sense that way too.
 
Clearly a tragedy. We must get the government to step in and mandate that jets must take off with less than 10% throttle for the first half of the roll in St. Maarten. Much like the City of Newport Beach (CA) has done to mandate that engines be throttled down at climb out above 800 feet to the minimum required to achieve a climb gradient of 2.5%. Got to protect idio... uh, people who decided to either stand at the take-off end of the runway or buy homes at the departure end of a runway. o_O
 
denverpilot said:
K-12 would be 8 years of classroom time, not 12... correct?
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K is Kindergarten. At least when I went to school, it was essentially 0th grade. Don't know about today.

And actually, it was 11 years not 12. I started taking French in 2nd grade. (If I'd started in Kindergarten, it would have been 13 years.)
 
IMHO if they would not have installed concrete where they did we would not be talking about this. She would have been blown into the water or sand. But then again there may not be any sand on the beach without those concrete barriers. Maybe make them out of something else besides concrete.

Tony
 
azure said:
K is Kindergarten. At least when I went to school, it was essentially 0th grade. Don't know about today.

And actually, it was 11 years not 12. I started taking French in 2nd grade. (If I'd started in Kindergarten, it would have been 13 years.)
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Sorry mixing up age with grade years. Was thinking most people don't go to school before age 3-4.

Probably has something to do with having the first real amount of beer I've had all summer last night at the neighbor's Redneck Ranch Party.

The tire roll completion was the hottest game followed by the TP toss. Tires, a hill, and a pasture gate... way more fun than video games. Have to have a lawn tractor with a trailer to go get all the tires back in between rounds. Game goes much faster that way. Well as long as whoever gets on the lawn tractor knows how to start and drive it after three or four beers.

Karen won the cooking contest with a casserole that started with a layer of canned chili, hot dogs sliced up, a layer of cheese, mashed potatoes, more cheese on top, topped with Fritos. She called it chili cheese dog casserole, everyone else called it Frito Pie.

She's won two years in a row now. Haha. She's not sure if her Home Ec teacher mother would be proud of this accomplishment. LOL.
 
1600vw said:
IMHO if they would not have installed concrete where they did we would not be talking about this. She would have been blown into the water or sand. But then again there may not be any sand on the beach without those concrete barriers. Maybe make them out of something else besides concrete.

Tony
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Honestly, she'd be alive if she had made a different recreational choice - concrete is cheap, durable, and if you can't look behind you, get an idea what you might hit if you get blown over, and then . . .U get the idea.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
???? I don't understand.
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The second time I watched it it seems like part was cut out from the original video and then more after that I hadn't seen. And it seemed to have a different title and was longer. Or maybe I just need to quit huffing diesel gas. :confused:
 
BrianNC said:
The second time I watched it it seems like part was cut out from the original video and then more after that I hadn't seen. And it seemed to have a different title and was longer. Or maybe I just need to quit huffing diesel gas. :confused:
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Yep, too much diesel. Only thing I changed was making the link work right after I first posted it!

Mmmmmm, diesel. ;)
 
Guess I can scratch going there off my list. Better places to go in the area, but was always going to stop there someday for the airplane gawking tourism thing.
 
About ten years ago we went on a Caribbean cruise that stopped at St. Maarten. My son and I took a taxi for the 45-minute ride to Maho Beach. It was the worst weather there in months.

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We saw a bunch of BN Islanders, Twin Otters and Dash 8s; the biggest we saw was the Amerijet B727.

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The biggest thing we saw take off was a Dash 8, and the "blast" from that wouldn't blow the seeds off a dandelion.

At least we had a better day than did my wife and daughter-in-law ... they took an ATV tour and experienced every puddle and effluent on the island. :(
 
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