IACRA Terms of Use (TOS)

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Just starting to complete all of the preliminary items prior to me scheduling my PAR exam through PSI.

So, as recommended, I am going to set up my FTN through IACRA.
Am I reading too much into the TOS?:
"Terms of Service (TOS)
You are accessing a U.S. Government information system, which includes (1) this computer, (2) this computer network, (3) all computers connected to this network, and (4) all devices and storage media attached to this network or to a computer on this network. This information system is provided for U.S. Government-authorized use only.

Unauthorized or improper use of this system may result in disciplinary action, as well as civil and criminal penalties.

By using this information system, you understand and consent to the following:
  1. You have no reasonable expectation of privacy regarding any communications or information transiting or stored on this information system. At any time, the government may for any lawful government purpose monitor, intercept, search, and seize any communication or information transiting or stored on this information system.
  2. Any communications or information transiting or stored on this information system may be disclosed or used for any lawful government purpose."
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By "this computer", I am assuming it to be my PC I am typing on right now. I have a network here at home, including my dedicated flight simulator, a PC for video to our TV, my wife's home office PC, laptops, phones, tablets and other devices that are connected to the home network. By agreeing to the TOS, am I giving carte blanche to some government agency to sift through all of my information? Well, not that the NSA probably hasn't already, due to my conservative bias.
 
That's exactly correct. Just the same as when you buy something from Amazon, do a Google or DuckDuckGo search, or access your employer's network (or when your wife accesses her employer's network). All those others have the same right to sift through your computer and home network, too. And since you are domestic, it is the FBI, not the NSA doing the sifting ;) At least they tell you right up front.
 
Cap'n Jack said:
That's exactly correct. Just the same as when you buy something from Amazon, do a Google or DuckDuckGo search, or access your employer's network (or when your wife accesses her employer's network). All those others have the same right to sift through your computer and home network, too. And since you are domestic, it is the FBI, not the NSA doing the sifting ;) At least they tell you right up front.
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Well, I did manage to find a manual FAA Form 8710-1. I may just sit down and fill that out instead. It is in fillable PDF format, so that makes things more tidier.
 
To the OP... just go do IACRA at the Library. Seriously, or use an old junk computer. I've seen DPE's refuse to use anything but IACRA - ie. no paper.
 
RyanShort1 said:
Crazy how they just ignore the Bill of Rights, isn't it?
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Not a BoR violation. They did tell him up front, that's how he found out. He made his choice not to give them permission. Despite my crack about the FBI, all the govt needs to do is ask all those private organizations I mentioned for the information if they want it.
RyanShort1 said:
To the OP... just go do IACRA at the Library. Seriously, or use an old junk computer. I've seen DPE's refuse to use anything but IACRA - ie. no paper.
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Good advice here.
 
Cap'n Jack said:
Not a BoR violation. They did tell him up front, that's how he found out.
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But they push you awfully hard to give them those permissions. They violate the spirit of the law. There is NO reason that the government needs to have access to my entire computer system over the act of filling out an application. If I commit a crime or fraud of some sort in filling it out, then they should do what is required and go present evidence and a get a warrant.
 
RyanShort1 said:
But they push you awfully hard to give them those permissions. They violate the spirit of the law.
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I was scratching my head over that too. Why, let's just ask you to waive your rights protected under the 4th and 5th amendments.

The typical argument is "well, if you don't have anything to hide"...
The problem with that line of thought is the two-way street that is the internet. Anything they don't see (if they're looking for something) can easily be placed where they're looking.

The library sounds like an excellent idea. I was thinking about using an old (very old) tablet I have at the Burger King, and then do a complete reset. Maybe a complete reset before, and then after is in order.
 
Dry Creek said:
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You are accessing a U.S. Government information system, which includes (1) this computer, (2) this computer network, (3) all computers connected to this network, and (4) all devices and storage media attached to this network or to a computer on this network. This information system is provided for U.S. Government-authorized use only.
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By "this computer", I am assuming it to be my PC I am typing on right now. I have a network here at home, including my dedicated flight simulator, a PC for video to our TV, my wife's home office PC, laptops, phones, tablets and other devices that are connected to the home network. By agreeing to the TOS, am I giving carte blanche to some government agency to sift through all of my information? Well, not that the NSA probably hasn't already, due to my conservative bias.
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I believe that "this computer" is NOT yours, but the computer that you were accessing. Your computer is not a US Govt information system (I'm assuming you were using your own property to access the internet.

I think people have gone waaaaaaaaaaaay over the top on this.

but, IANAL, I don't play one on TV, and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
 
Bob Noel said:
I believe that "this computer" is NOT yours, but the computer that you were accessing. Your computer is not a US Govt information system (I'm assuming you were using your own property to access the internet.

I think people have gone waaaaaaaaaaaay over the top on this.

but, IANAL, I don't play one on TV, and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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That's exactly my line of thought on the outset, but as I read more and deeper into the text, my spidey senses started tingling. The tingly senses thing could have been because I had broccoli with my lunch.
 
But if your computer isn't "connected to this network" how are you accessing and transmitting the document?
 
RyanShort1 said:
But they push you awfully hard to give them those permissions. They violate the spirit of the law. There is NO reason that the government needs to have access to my entire computer system over the act of filling out an application. If I commit a crime or fraud of some sort in filling it out, then they should do what is required and go present evidence and a get a warrant.
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Just the act of writing a "cookie" requires the use of the entire computer system- CPU, network, hard drive. Same with filling out a form. That's probably the permission needed. Which part of a computer or network isn't needed when filling out an on-line form?

Let's make a straw man (it might well be). Mr. Man gives the government this permission and fills in the form. Now Straw Man stores child pron in their computer. Did the IACRA permission give the FBI permission to search their computer without a warrant to make their case? I don't know if it has happened, it would be nice to have case law on this.

Apple has no such restrictions except for public opinion.
 
Dry Creek said:
I was scratching my head over that too. Why, let's just ask you to waive your rights protected under the 4th and 5th amendments.

The typical argument is "well, if you don't have anything to hide"...
The problem with that line of thought is the two-way street that is the internet. Anything they don't see (if they're looking for something) can easily be placed where they're looking.

The library sounds like an excellent idea. I was thinking about using an old (very old) tablet I have at the Burger King, and then do a complete reset. Maybe a complete reset before, and then after is in order.
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They can, if they wish, still track you with the Network Interface Card ID.
 
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