EdFred
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I have seen a number of ads for jobs that provide no guideline for what the pay may be. I've also seen as much as a 75% difference in pay when going for a job doing pretty much the same thing.
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I have seen a number of ads for jobs that provide no guideline for what the pay may be. I've also seen as much as a 75% difference in pay when going for a job doing pretty much the same thing.
tonycondon
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he hasn't slept since 2007
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The "old" can be just as guilty of feeling entitled. I can remember a CP telling me about a job applicant who came and laid his certificates with type ratings up to and including the space shuttle <jk> on the CP's desk. The CP asked him, "But can you fly a King Air 200, because that's the position that is open." Needless to say he was not selected.
As far as pay goes, I think it depends on the job. Some jobs have a set pay scale and it's take it or leave it. Other times pay can be negotiated. In most interview situations I can remember the pay was brought up pretty quickly by the person doing the interviewing. I'm almost certain that I have never brought it up first.
As far as pay goes, I think it depends on the job. Some jobs have a set pay scale and it's take it or leave it. Other times pay can be negotiated. In most interview situations I can remember the pay was brought up pretty quickly by the person doing the interviewing. I'm almost certain that I have never brought it up first.
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Pay is something that I discuss with the HR department at the completion of interviews. No point in discussing it until I've decided that the company is place I want to work. Furthermore, once I've completed the interview I have more ammunition to discuss regarding pay.
There are no shortage of entitled people in the younger generation, but I've also seen just as many people a generation senior of me who feel very entitled. I don't know which one bothers me more. Probably the older ones because I'm paying their social security benefits that I never expect to get.
There are no shortage of entitled people in the younger generation, but I've also seen just as many people a generation senior of me who feel very entitled. I don't know which one bothers me more. Probably the older ones because I'm paying their social security benefits that I never expect to get.
tonycondon
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well at least you're smart enough to realize you are paying their social security rather than investing in your own.
jesse
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It just all depends on the organization. A lot of the more smaller companies I work with really don't have much of a HR department. You obviously don't want to discuss salary with someone that is not the decision maker. A lot of interviews are done by peers and discussing salaries higher then what they may get paid could backfire on you. The situation varies - there is no hard and fast rule - like anything.
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Keep it up please. I'm counting on you.
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I interviewed one guy who was telling me about a conversation he had with his brother in which he got the advice to change jobs every year to build up his resume for a while. He was 3 years out of school and had worked two jobs.
I looked at him quizzically and then he stumbled and muttered that, of course, he wasn't going to do that with THIS company if we hired him. He knew he blew it.
We still had a nice conversation, but the interview was over.
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I've always assumed that social security will end up being extra taxes I'm paying. My retirement plan assumes $0 coming from social security.
This is true, but I will still typically wait until the end to discuss payment. If I do a good job of the interview, I should give them plenty of reasons why they want me as an employee and want to pay me more money, and should be able to pick up all the reasons why they as a company should pay me more.
Gary
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Please do keep up the good work on those social security payments!
If YOU are assuming no social security for your personal retirement plan - that's a safe assumption. Might be worthwhile (you probably already have) to check your employers pension plan to see what, if any, reduction in the plan results from social security payments, it can be significant.
Gary
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That I haven't looked at, but given what I've seen from pension plans, the main thing I'm counting on is my personal investments. Everything else is gravy that lets me retire earlier and/or live better.
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+1. Do companies even have pension plans any more? No place I have ever worked has had one.That I haven't looked at, but given what I've seen from pension plans, the main thing I'm counting on is my personal investments. Everything else is gravy that lets me retire earlier and/or live better.
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My company has one, but the more valuable part of the retirement plan is their matching. Of course since that's in company stock, it only does as well as the stock does.
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Some do, but most that do have pensions place new employees in defined contribution plans (401K) rather than pensions. The company I work for still has pension for employees that were with the company >15 years ago. Anything more recent is 401K w/company match.
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I wasn't talking about 401(k)s which I think are fairly common. I meant the old defined benefit pensions. I thought those were questionable anyway since it presupposed that the company would be around for a long time. Truthfully I never thought I would spend my life at one place, nor did I want to, and I was right.
CJones
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Don't some of the labor union (Teamsters, UAW, etc.) contracts still have pension provisions?
Gary
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Guess we're a bit of a benefits dinosaur, we have both a 401k and a defined benefit pension plan. But then again, we are French owned, they do things differently!
.Gary
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Guess we're a bit of a benefits dinosaur, we have both a 401k and a defined benefit pension plan. But then again, we are French owned, they do things differently!
You mean when you don't like your company's policies you set your house on fire and stand in front of the fuel trucks to make sure that nobody else can work either?
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You mean when you don't like your company's policies you set your house on fire and stand in front of the fuel trucks to make sure that nobody else can work either?
Yep - Standard Operating Practice! Sometimes we try to barricade roads with farm implements and excess produce! In the end, doesn't seem to make much difference.Gary
wsuffa
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I was, too.
Very few have them any more. Our company's legacy employees are still covered.
They are risky for employer (who has to fund them), and they're risky for employees (if company goes under... just ask some of the airline employees about that).
I'm like you with regard to your last sentence.